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Topic: If this were a Christian or Jew in the Middle East
Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Subject: If this were a Christian or Jew in the Middle East
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 5:24pm
If this happened to a Christian or Jewish woman in any country in the Middle East it would have knocked Michael Jackson off of the front page and the U.S. or Israel would probably be invading right now. Instead it has been totally ignored.  
 
  
 
German killing of headscarved woman at court raises fears in Europe
 


World Bulletin / News Desk

European Muslims faced another hate crime with killing of a headscarved woman by a German man in a court room on on July 1st, German and Egyptian media reported.

 A 28-year old German man stabbed Egyptian national Marwa Sherbini 18 times in Dresden courthouse before she gives evidence against court appeal.

Marwa Sherbini, a 32-year-old Egyptian national was suing her attacker after he insulted her for wearing the Islamic headscarf.

Sherbini stood in court to give evidence against court appeal before German man took out a knife and stabbed her 18 times.

Marwa took her 3-year old son Mostapha to play in a Dresden park. A German man, identified only as Axel W, insulted her because of wearing headscarf and called her a "terrorist". She filed a case against him in German courts after the incident.

When she won the case and the court fined him the �780 for having abused her. But German man appealed against the verdict, German media said.

Also, her husband and her son were present in the court room. When the assailant attacked Marwa her husband ran to rescue her. But the assailant stabbed him 3 times. Meanwhile, a German security officer in court shot the husband in the leg too.

The husband Elwy Okaz lapsed into a coma and was taken to hospital suffering from serious injuries to the stomach and liver.

Marwa Sherbini was a star pupil at her Alexandria School, El Nasr Girls' College (EGC), one of the oldest and most prestigious educational establishments for girls in Alexandria. Her personality and academic achievements led to her selection as Head Girl of the school before she joined the Faculty of Pharmacy at Alexandria University, graduating in 2000 with flying colors. After she got married to Elwy Okaz, a researcher at the Max Planck Institute, she moved with him to Germany.

Crime ignored

The killing of the Muslim woman raises many questions regarding inter-racial relationships and co-existence in Europe.

It's been too long since Egyptian bloggers came together under the same opinion. But the new hate crime that took place in Germany against Sherbini, was one good reason for them to unite again, condemning international media for ignoring such incidents against Muslims in the West.

German officials did not acknowleged about bloody event which is taken in front of the 3 year old son's eyes during 24 hours and did not informed Marva's family or Egyptian embassy..

According to father of MArwa who spoked to an Egyptian TV, they learned the killing from a family friend after on a phone conversation after 24 hours.

"My daughter was pregnant in her third month," the heartbroken mother told Egypt's Al-Masri Al-Youm daily on Sunday, July 5.

"I never imagined she would be a victim of terrorism and we would see her pictures in the media."

Also, the media reported that German officials put the son of Sherbinis, Mostafa in an orphanage, rejecting to hand him over Egyptian embassy for send him to family members.

The state-owned Egyptian Gazette reported the hate crime as saying the attacker stabbed Sherbini "shortly before she was to give evidence in an appeal lodged by the man against a conviction for insulting her over wearing the hijab."

"The investigation into this bloody crime is bound to show there are some indications the suspect was hostile toward foreigners � the signs are there," said Saxony police chief Bernd Merbitz told German media.



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�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
Eleanor Roosevelt



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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 5:30pm

http://treeofeden.wordpress.com/2009/07/06/bbc-news-middle-east-egypt-mourns-headscarf-martyr/ - BBC NEWS | Middle East | Egypt mourns �headscarf martyr�

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8136500.stm - BBC NEWS | Middle East | Egypt mourns �headscarf martyr� .

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The body of Muslim woman, killed in a German courtroom by a man convicted of insulting her religion, has been taken back to her native Egypt for burial.

Marwa Sherbini, 31, was stabbed 18 times by Axel W, who is now under arrest in Dresden for suspected murder.

Husband Elwi Okaz is also in a critical condition in hospital, after being injured as he tried to save his wife.

Ms Sherbini had sued her killer after he called her a �terrorist� because of her headscarf.

The case has attracted much attention in Egypt and the Muslim world.

German prosecutors have said the 28-year-old attacker, identified only as Axel W, was driven by a deep hatred of foreigners and Muslims.

Newspapers in Egypt have expressed outrage at the case, asking how it was allowed to happen and dubbing Ms Sherbini �the martyr of the Hijab�.

Senior Egyptian officials and German diplomatic staff attended the funeral in Alexandria along with hundreds of mourners.



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�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
Eleanor Roosevelt


Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 5:37pm

News that You won�t Hear about in the U.S.

July 6, 2009 by http://attendingtheworld.wordpress.com/author/attendingtheworld/ - attendingtheworld

Egypt mourns �headscarf martyr�

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Marwa Sherbini is being hailed as the shahida, or martyr, of the Hijab

The body of a Muslim woman, killed in a German courtroom by a man convicted of insulting her religion, has been taken back to her native Egypt for burial.

Marwa Sherbini, 31, was stabbed 18 times by Axel W, who is now under arrest in Dresden for suspected murder.

Husband Elwi Okaz is also in a critical condition in hospital, after being injured as he tried to save his wife.

Ms Sherbini had sued her killer after he called her a �terrorist� because of her headscarf.

The case has attracted much attention in Egypt and the Muslim world.

German prosecutors have said the 28-year-old attacker, identified only as Axel W, was driven by a deep hatred of foreigners and Muslims.

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�Martyr�

Medics were unable to save Ms Sherbini who was three months pregnant with her second child. Her three-year-old son was with the family in court when she was killed.

Axel W and Ms Sherbini and family were in court for his appeal against a fine of 750 euros ($1,050) for insulting her in 2008, apparently because she was wearing the Muslim headscarf or Hijab.

Newspapers in Egypt have expressed outrage at the case, asking how it was allowed to happen and dubbing Ms Sherbini �the martyr of the Hijab�.

Senior Egyptian officials and German diplomatic staff attended the funeral in Alexandria along with hundreds of mourners.

Media reports say Mr Okaz was injured both by the attacker and when a policeman opened fire in the courtroom.



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�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
Eleanor Roosevelt


Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 06 July 2009 at 7:01pm
I wonder if they have death penalty in Germany....

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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.


Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 07 July 2009 at 6:02am
May Allah bless her with Jannah and give the family patience during this ordeal . . .

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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."


Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 07 July 2009 at 6:09am
Ameen!


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 07 July 2009 at 7:08am
 
Egyptians gather while chanting slogans around the body of Marwa al-Shirbini as it is carried away for burial in Alexandria yesterday. The Egyptian woman was stabbed to death in a courtroom in Dresden, Germany on July 1


Posted By: ops155
Date Posted: 07 July 2009 at 9:34am
Maybe you should look around, found the same story on CNN.com so not sure how it is not being seen in the US. Sad that it happened but it was a german man who killed a Egyptian women and although it had nothing to do with America I can easily find something on every news website i go to:
 
foxnews:
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530271,00.html - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530271,00.html
 
CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/07/06/egypt.woman.killed/index.html - http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/07/06/egypt.woman.killed/index.html
 
LA Times:
 
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/07/egypt-nationwide-rage-over-the-death-of-an-egyptian-in-germany.html - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/07/egypt-nationwide-rage-over-the-death-of-an-egyptian-in-germany.html
 
ABC news:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/07/2618922.htm?section=world - http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/07/2618922.htm?section=world
 
I guess we did hear about it in the US.
 


Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 07 July 2009 at 10:00am
"I guess we did hear about it in the US."
 
Yeah, you're right. The coverage is astounding.... four links, one from Australia, one a blog, one copied from the AP and all a week after it happened and writing about how angry the Egyptians are and how many attended her funeral.  
 
Your ABC link was in Australia and they reported on how many Egyptians attended the funeral: Egyptians flock to court stabbing victim's funeral
Posted Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:31am AEST
 
The LA Times was a blog from Cairo: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/07/egypt-nationwide-rage-over-the-death-of-an-egyptian-in-germany.html - EGYPT: Nationwide rage over the death of an Egyptian in Germany
 
CNN: Egyptians angry over German court slaying
 
Fox: Egyptians Claim Racism in Brutal Slaying of Pregnant Woman in Germany
Monday, July 06, 2009
 
Seriously, if a pregnant white American or European Christian woman had been stabbed to death in a court room in Egypt by a Muslim man she was suing for accosting her in a public park for wearing a crucifix there would be no other headlines. Period.
 
 


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Eleanor Roosevelt


Posted By: ops155
Date Posted: 07 July 2009 at 10:38am
believe what you want, this did not involve an american at all so why would it be all over american news? Had it involved an american yes I believe you would here a lot about it because it would involve an american. Nice though how something like this happens and you still find ways to fault america for it.


Posted By: Pati
Date Posted: 07 July 2009 at 1:32pm

Too much sad this story. Obviously, if in the "justice" building someone is killed, it shows lot of problems: first of all, security problem... how that man (God give him what he deserves) came inside the Court with a knife????? What about the security system?

Another point is the social one, and sorry to tell you but I think you cannot value the whole Europe or America because of a mad o thousand mad people. Come on!! We are millions and you are focusing only in the worst part of our societies!!! But in the same way, everytime we are trying to show you the same, you answer very fast that they are fanatics... This man was fanatic, or maybe only st**id, or mad... who knows? But it's one story, it's not the daily life of every headscarved in Europe or America. I see headscarved women everyday, in the bus, in the market, in the street, and nobody insults them, or beat them, and even they don't look at them... It's not fair.
 
God/Allah take care of her in Heaven, where I know she is in peace. Really, I have to congratulate her family for having such a brave woman, who was facing this man, who was taking him to the court... I really admire her even without knowing.
 
I'm sorry for her family.
 


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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 3:21am
I'm not faulting America, unless you define America as the media. I am pointing out an obvious double standard.
 
The woman Neza who was killed in Iran wasn't American, but she is all over the American news because we are supposed to hate the Iranian government. They are the next great evil.
 
When the Taliban kidnapped those S. Korean missionaries in 2007 that was all over the American news. No Americans involved there. But the equally evil Taliban was holding missionaries. Big story everywhere.
 
So I guess it really doesn't matter if Americans are involved or not as long as the perpetrators are who the media want to demonise.
 
If every word of this story remained the same, but the woman killed were a Jew, then every paper in the world would have picked up on the story. Pregnant Jewish woman stabbed 18 times in a German court room full of armed police by a man who made anti-semetic remarks. Oh wait, that would never happen since anti-semitic remarks are illegal in Germany so she would never have had to sue the man. He would have just been arrested for a hate crime.
 
 
Too bad this woman wasn't afforded the same protection under the law, or after. But since she was only a Muslim, what difference does it make?
 
 


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�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
Eleanor Roosevelt


Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 5:28am
This story is very sad- How did the man get a knife into court?  Do they not have metal detectors?  
 
Are you saying that the Islamic Republic is good and fair - people should not be protesting for a fair vote?
 
Government is supposed to represent the people.  My understanding is that the little guy president is leading the Iranian people in a way they do not want to go.
 
It was not found out until much later that Neda was a Christian.  Are you saying that a Christian can not represent the people of Iran?
 
Shasta please read-
 
http://www.reference.com/search?q=Semetic - http://www.reference.com/search?q=Semetic
 
Arabs are a semetic people.  Muslim is not a race- Islam is not a race.


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Posted By: ops155
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 7:52am
Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

I'm not faulting America, unless you define America as the media. I am pointing out an obvious double standard.
 
The woman Neza who was killed in Iran wasn't American, but she is all over the American news because we are supposed to hate the Iranian government. They are the next great evil.
 
When the Taliban kidnapped those S. Korean missionaries in 2007 that was all over the American news. No Americans involved there. But the equally evil Taliban was holding missionaries. Big story everywhere.
 
So I guess it really doesn't matter if Americans are involved or not as long as the perpetrators are who the media want to demonise.
 
If every word of this story remained the same, but the woman killed were a Jew, then every paper in the world would have picked up on the story. Pregnant Jewish woman stabbed 18 times in a German court room full of armed police by a man who made anti-semetic remarks. Oh wait, that would never happen since anti-semitic remarks are illegal in Germany so she would never have had to sue the man. He would have just been arrested for a hate crime.
 
 
Too bad this woman wasn't afforded the same protection under the law, or after. But since she was only a Muslim, what difference does it make?
 
 
 
Maybe you forget about the German-Jew past, that is why it is illegal to make remarks like that just like it is illegal to display a swatchika in public. As far as not getting air time, our own soldiers who died this past week didn't even get any airtime because of MJ. Some pervert dies and all of sudden the world stops to honor his life. Even on this board you all talked more about him than what is going on in Iran, Muslims being killed for peaceful protests. Yeah just an American problem though


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 9:28am
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A U.S. Marine from the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, 1st Battalion 5th Marines pauses briefly in the heat to rest with his heavy pack filled with mortar equipment, ammunition, food, and water in the Nawa district in Afghanistan's Helmand province Saturday, July 4, 2009. Taliban militants attacked a U.S. coalition base in eastern Afghanistan on Saturday with an explosives-laden truck that blew up outside the gates, sparking a two-hour gunbattle and killing two American troops, officials said.  AP



Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 10:47am
"Even on this board you all talked more about him than what is going on in Iran, Muslims being killed for peaceful protests."
 
I didn't talk more about him. There are a few threads but the posters are Muslim and non-Muslim. However, the24/7 media coverage of his death in the Christian majority U.S. has nothing to Muslims.
 
"Some pervert dies and all of sudden the world stops to honor his life."
 
Believe me, the Middle Eastern channels are still covering the protests in Iran and giving much more comprehensive coverage to the war in Iraq than we have ever seen. They keep track of the American soldiers that have died AND the civilians. Like the 40+ killed by U.S. drones in Pakistan while attending a funeral. Apparently not everything came to a stop.
 
And the warmongering evangelical Christian Bush is the original reason the U.S. soldiers needlessly killed got no airtime. They seem to be getting more now.
 
"It was not found out until much later that Neda was a Christian.  Are you saying that a Christian can not represent the people of Iran?"
 
What? I said she was not American, I didn't mention her religion at all.
 
Shasta please read-
 
http://www.reference.com/search?q=Semetic - http://www.reference.com/search?q=Semetic
 
Arabs are a semetic people.  Muslim is not a race- Islam is not a race.
 
Yes, we know that Arabs are semitic. Perhaps someone should tell the Jews, the U.S., and all of the European countries that have anti-semitic hate laws that do not include Arabs.
 
Islam isn't a race? Really? I'm confused....  
 
As far as I know Hate Laws apply to race, religion, sexual orientation and disability.
 
 


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�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
Eleanor Roosevelt


Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 11:03am
"Maybe you forget about the German-Jew past, that is why it is illegal to make remarks like that just like it is illegal to display a swatchika in public."
 
How can anyone possibly forget about the German-Jew past. There are memorials and museums and a big new country built upon the blood of the Palestinians to remind us.


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�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
Eleanor Roosevelt


Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 08 July 2009 at 6:19pm

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CAIR Meets with German Officials on Murder of Muslim Woman
Letter to German chancellor asks that religious minorities be protected

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 7/8/09) � Representatives of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) met today with officials of the German embassy in Washington, D.C., to discuss a recent incident in which a pregnant Muslim woman was stabbed to death at a Dresden court while testifying against a man who had insulted her for wearing a religiously-mandated headscarf, or hijab.  

The woman was stabbed 18 times as court security personnel allegedly failed to intervene. When the woman�s husband attempted to shield her from the attacker, he was shot by those same security personnel and remains in critical condition

SEE: http://crm.cair.com/site/R?i=6i6Sl9MgdLidvMXQFV_lgQ.. - The Headscarf Martyr: Murder in German Court Sparks Egyptian Fury

During their meeting today with the embassy officials, CAIR representatives delivered a letter from the organization�s National Executive Director Nihad Awad to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, which stated in part:

�This horrendous act of hatred is obviously of concern to all those in Germany and worldwide who value justice and religious tolerance.

�There is a growing perception that the German government was slow to condemn this bias-motivated act of violence and has not addressed the underlying Islamophobia that can lead to such tragic incidents.

�We are also concerned that the ban in several German states on Muslim teachers wearing hijab may serve to legitimize the type of Islamophobic views held by [the woman�s] attacker.

�We implore you to protect the rights of all religious minorities in Germany by taking immediate and direct measures such as instituting policies that seek to prevent the growth of Islamophobia, anti-Semitism, racism, or any other form of bigotry. CAIR and the American Muslim community stand ready to assist you in developing and implementing those policies or initiatives.

�We urge you to investigate whether the perpetrator of this crime was in any way linked to a larger anti-Muslim movement.

�CAIR has more than 15 years of experience in dealing with issues related to Islamophobia, hate crimes and civil rights, and would be willing to share this experience with German officials and the German Muslim community.�

Those taking part in today�s meeting included Awad, CAIR Legal Counsel Nadhira Al-Khalili and CAIR National Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper.

CAIR, America's largest Muslim civil liberties organization, has 35 offices and chapters nationwide and in Canada. Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding.



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�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
Eleanor Roosevelt



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