The Palestinian people, some five million plus, who live under apartheid/occupation in Israel/Palestine, and enduring wretched conditions, loss of life and bleak futures, should in my opinion, be granted an offer of resettlement by the international community.  A fund for housing, training and employment in the country of their choice; European Union, America, Arab Gulf States, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon or other such countries willing to participate.  Certainly large numbers of Palestinians will not desire to leave, but given a proper (offer of full citizenship) and generously funded relocation program, I think most would desire peace and security over an unsustainable situation they now presently live.  What do you think?

The Promised Land

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Hypothetical map of the Greater Israel derived from the definitions in Genesis 15:18-21.

Main article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Israel - Land of Israel

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promised_Land - Promised Land

Greater Israel occasionally refers to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promised_Land - Promised Land (defined in http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au/%7Ejnot4610/bibref.php?book=%20Genesis&verse=15:18-21&src=NIV - Genesis 15:18-21 ) or to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Israel - Land of Israel , and is also called Complete Land of Israel or "Entire Land of Israel" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language - Hebrew : ארץ ישראל השלמה‎, Eretz Yisrael Hashlemah). This is a more accurate translation than "Greater" Israel, which is used in English but has no real counterpart in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew - Hebrew .

The Bible contains three geographical definitions of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Israel - Land of Israel . The first, found in http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au/%7Ejnot4610/bibref.php?book=%20Genesis&verse=15:18-21&src=NIV - Genesis 15:18-21 , is vague. It describes a large territory, "from the Nile to the Euphrates", comprising all of modern-day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel - Israel , the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Territories - Palestinian Territories , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon - Lebanon , as well as large parts of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria - Syria , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan - Jordan , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt - Egypt . The proportion of current http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq - Iraq , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia - Saudi Arabia , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey - Turkey included in this territory is debatable.

The other two definitions are found in http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au/%7Ejnot4610/bibref.php?book=%20Numbers&verse=34:1-15&src=NIV - Numbers 34:1-15 and http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au/%7Ejnot4610/bibref.php?book=%20Ezekiel&verse=47:13-20&src=NIV - Ezekiel 47:13-20 and describe a smaller territory.

Well if the Muslims rollover and play dead; what will be, will be.......

I think after listening to Hamas's senior member Muhammad Nazzal this suggestion would be an insult to their stand!

Just think about they are not standing up to  the Zionist entity but rather to the weapons of the super power where rest of the Arabs are shaking in their boots just thinking about!

AS the saying goes " The feebleness is crime before Allah and the punishment is death" and disgrace on the judgment day...

There dream of Greater Israel Hhhh. But you remember brothers that there is a hadith i heard { am looking for it} that amongst the prophecies of Prophet, these jews would reach till Hijaz / Khyber.

I pray for an other Hitler to chop these Jews

abuayisha wrote: seekshidayath wrote:   I pray for an other Hitler to chop these Jews     Allah forgive you; what a very inappropriate statement.

In the U.S., if anyone complains of police brutality or misconduct, there is an investigation, but not in Israel. The person registering a complaint can expect police reprisal in the form of a beating. Besides being denied decent housing and decent employment because I was married to a Sephardic Jewess, I was the target of racial slurs. Several times I was even attacked by Ashkenazi Jews because I had married a Sephardic Jewess. Other American Ashkenazi who had gone to Israel and married Sephardic Jewesses received the same treatment as I. Because Sephardic Jews are victims of the racist practices against them, I had often heard, in Israel, a Sephardic Jew tell a European Ashkenazi Jew, "Hitler didn't kill enough of you ******s"( Haramis).

Please read the next paragraph carefully.

I was born in the United States, attended public schools, worked in various parts of the U.S. and served 2 years in the U.S. Army. Not even once was I persecuted or had racist remarks made to me because I was a Jew. It is ironic that once in Israel, the so-called "Paradise for all Jews," I, a Jew suffered because of racism.

The Zionist controlled news-media in America has kept from the American people the news that Israel is intensely racist. Most Ashkenazi Jews in America are not aware of the racism in Israel. Even those Jews who have visited Israel are not aware because they are carefully kept from witnessing racist incidents.

Seekshidayath,

Hayfa who started this fight? Prior to this incursion I want to know the truth. Stop talking about battered wives since this is not comparable just like S.A. made the comparison to the Holocaust. Different sufferings come from different situations.

As does the Quran:

Believer,

You quoted Prophet Ezekiel as saying:  �This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will take the Israelites [sic] out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land.�

You wrote:  �The Jewish people believe that the land was promised to them.�

Was the quote by Ezekiel meant to support your statement?  I think that plenty of Jews, especially the scholars of Judaism, know full well the difference between the Jews and the Israelites, however politically advantageous it might be to at times obscure that difference, especially within, or to, the mind of the cash-rich American evangelicals (not referring to you) who act as benefactors.

A brief review (as I understand it): at the time of Jeroboam and Rehoboam, 10th Century B.C., the by then divided Kingdoms of Israel and Judah went to war with each other and, from that point on, Israel and Judah, or the Israelites and the Jews, took two separate prophetic and historical streams.  The Kingdom of Israel, more generically, the Israelites, the ten northern tribes, excluding Judah, was later taken into captivity by Assyria; the Kingdom of Judah, or the Jews, was taken by Babylon.  According to the Biblical books of the Kings, and their Chronicles, it is clear that the two kingdoms are not the same.  I think that this is why, for instance, the major prophets, among them Isaiah and Jeremiah, issue prophecies to one or the other house, but rarely to both houses at once.  (This bears confirming.)

The Jews, then, are not the sum total of Israel, though in the final analysis they would be part, and the Kingdom of Judah is not the Kingdom of Israel. 

If you want to quote another interesting Muslim source in favor of the Israelites being given the land as an inheritance, consider Ibn-Khaldun.  I don�t have his book with me at the moment, but he wrote some fascinating, at the time Islamically accepted, history.

I think that this particular aspect of the discussion should be moved to the Interfaith Forum, where it seems to me to more properly belong.

Serv

I suspect that John Hagee is what happened when Rush Limbaugh took too many Vicodin.

The Kingdoms of Israel and Judah are both Hebrew Kingdoms. As you noted, 10 of the 12 tribes in the northern kingdom and the other to the southern. So when referring to Jews, it refers to Hebrews, of either of the 12 tribes, of either kingdom

Some nuts do still live in that century. Was it 1700 BC or just 1693BC? And you want us to take you seriously? I have no idea when was this one allowed out of the institution?

With this kind of logic any wonder Jesus's genealogy is so messed up in NT

Action: Sponsors Sought for U.S. Citizens to be Evacuated from Gaza

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 1/12/2009) - CAIR today issued a call for American sponsors willing to assist families of U.S. citizens who may be evacuated this week from the Gaza Strip.

SEE: http://crm.cair.com/site/R?i=gEeQBf12zIoDE7uQq7FiSQ.. - U.S. Preparing Evacuation of 150 Americans

State Department officials tell CAIR that some of the almost 150 potential evacuees do not have family members in the United States.A number of those seeking evacuation are non-citizen parents of young American-born children. CAIR is calling on individuals and relief groups to offer support. Potential sponsors would have to provide all the needs of evacuees for a period of six months, demonstrate financial ability and submit an I-134 �Affidavit of Support� form.

CAIR has been seeking State Department assistance in evacuating two American children, ages six and three, along with all the other Americans in Gaza. The father of the two children said bullets fired from an Israeli tank hit the family home in Beit Hanoun on Saturday. He said his brother�s nearby two-story home was destroyed today by the Israelis.

The death toll from Israeli attacks on Gaza has topped 900, with many women and children among the dead and more than 4000 injured. In its attacks, Israel has denied access to wounded civilians and has targeted homes, schools, mosques, universities, medical and United Nations personnel, a hospital, and a church. A leading human rights group has accused Israel of using white-phosphorus munitions in its attacks on civilian areas.

Migration as a method of coping with turbulence among Palestinians

Migration is one way individuals and families cope with economic uncertainty and political turbulence. Migrations in search of stability may be embarked upon with the intention to resettle temporarily or permanently, and these intentions may change over time. Migrants may include only income-producers or entire families. While migration chosen as a strategy for coping with turbulence and uncertainty is often thought of as voluntary migration, many scholars consider the dislocations and disruptions caused by conflict and globalization as events that force migration to occur. This article is about Palestinian migration from Jordan to the United States, the experiences of these migrants while in the United States, their ideas about circular migration, and the potential impact of Post9/11 U.S. policies and social climate on this migration.

Palestinians have resettled extensively within and outside the Arab World since the creation of the State of Israel in 1948 and the 1967 Israeli military occupation of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza (Cainkar, 1988). Indeed, more than 50% of the Palestinian population lives in exile. Many Palestinians are "twice migrants" (Bhachu, 1985). They planted their roots in bordering countries after becoming refugees in 1948 or 1967, or upon locating employment opportunities and safety following the social, political, and economic destabilization that accompanied Israeli military occupation, and then migrated once again in search of better lives. The border country of Jordan which has been the largest single recipient of Palestinians in exile, has more than 2 million Palestinians. Major sites of Palestinian second migration include the Arab Gulf countries, especially Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and the United States. Palestinian migration to the Gulf States occurred in large numbers between the 1950s and 1990 (Brand, 1988). While this migration returned lucrative rewards until the late 1980s, it largely came to an end with the Gulf War of 1990-91. Indeed, the vast majority of Palestinian migrants were expelled from these countries during and after the 1990-91 Gulf War (Cainkar, 1994). Palestinians began migrating to the United States around the turn of the 20th Century (Al-Tahir, 1952; Cainkar, 1988). This migration accelerated after 1948, increased again after the 1965 change in U.S. immigration laws, and has continued unabated through the turn of the 21st Century. Palestinians living in Jordan have also increased their levels of migration to the U.S. Data for immigrants to the U.S. carrying Jordanian passports, which includes West Bank Palestinians travelling on Jordanian passports, Jordanians, and Palestinian citizens of Jordan, show increases through 2001, excluding the years 1982-89. During these years, more Palestinians came to the U.S. to study than as immigrants (Cainkar, 1988). Since the 1990-91 GulfWar, the United States has become one of the primary locations of Palestinian resettlement.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3248 - Journal of Comparative Family Studies ,   http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3248/is_200403 - March, 2004  by http://findarticles.com/p/search?tb=art&qa=Cainkar%2C+Louise%3B+Abunimah%2C+Ali%3B+Raei%2C+Lamia - Cainkar, Louise; Abunimah, Ali; Raei, Lamia

Fatwa forbids PA Muslims to emigrate

Alarmed by the growing number of Palestinians who are emigrating from the Palestinian territories, the Palestinian Authority's mufti has issued a fatwa [religious decree] forbidding Muslims to leave.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181228581339&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull - http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181228581339&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Fatwa Sheikh Albani:

�Another controversial position was his call for Palestinians to leave the occupied territories since, he claimed, they were unable to practice their faith there as they should � something which is much more important than a piece of land.�

  http://www.isim.nl/files/review_21/review_21-6.pdf - http://www.isim.nl/files/review_21/review_21-6.pdf