This guy says EXACTLY what I been saying
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Topic: This guy says EXACTLY what I been saying
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Subject: This guy says EXACTLY what I been saying
Date Posted: 25 November 2007 at 2:34pm
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Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem
Watch this video : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3429160029331743094&q=Sunni+Iranian+scholar+UNCOVERS&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3429160029331743094 &q=Sunni+Iranian+scholar+UNCOVERS&total=1&start= 0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 This Iranian Sunni scholar says EXACTLY the same things that I have been saying on this Forum (hmmm, maybe he's been reading my posts! or maybe he has discovered the truth from his own experience as he too is Iranian and Sunni like me). Anyway watch the video it's very interesting, it's practically identical to my posts!!!
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Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 26 November 2007 at 9:44am
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Sawtul, I can't believe you just posted something with subtitles by MEMRI
TV! Quote: Evidence from Memri's website also casts doubt on its non-partisan status. Besides supporting liberal democracy, civil society, and the free market, the institute also emphasises "the continuing relevance of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel". That is what its website used to say, but the words about Zionism have now been deleted. The original page, however, can still be found in internet archives. The reason for Memri's air of secrecy becomes clearer when we look at the people behind it. The co-founder and president of Memri, and the registered owner of its website, is an Israeli called Yigal Carmon. Mr - or rather, Colonel - Carmon spent 22 years in Israeli military intelligence and later served as counter-terrorism adviser to two Israeli prime ministers, Yitzhak Shamir and Yitzhak Rabin. Retrieving another now-deleted page from the archives of Memri's website also throws up a list of its staff. Of the six people named, three - including Col Carmon - are described as having worked for Israeli intelligence. Among the other three, one served in the Israeli army's Northern Command Ordnance Corps, one has an academic background, and the sixth is a former stand-up comedian. Col Carmon's co-founder at Memri is Meyrav Wurmser, who is also director of the centre for Middle East policy at the Indianapolis-based Hudson Institute, which bills itself as "America's premier source of applied research on enduring policy challenges". The ubiquitous Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon's defence policy board, recently joined Hudson's board of trustees. Selective MEMRI - http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/ story/0,,773258,00.html |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 1:02pm
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What's your point? The program is from an Arabic channel and the the scholar is a Sunni Iranian and the interviewer is an Arab. Just because Memri translated it doesnt make it Israeli, Memri also translates programs from Iranian TV and speeches of Khamenehi leader of Iran as well as Shiah leader Hasan Nasrollah and Saudis and Sunni leaders and al-Qaeda leaders etc. Memri also translates a lot of anti-Israel and anti-Jewish material for specific reasons. So Memri translating the video doesn't mean anything. |
Duende wrote:Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 1:09pm
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Here you go, the Shiah Hasan Nasrollah leader of "Hezbollah" on Memri TV: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4298984179894376987&q=Nasrallah+-+Before+Abducting+Soldiers+-+November+15%2C+2005&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4298984179894376987& amp; amp;q=Nasrallah+-+Before+Abducting+Soldiers+-+November+15%2C +2005&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=s earch&plindex=0 |
Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 2:04am
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The point is, Sawtul, you knucklehead, that MEMRI are up tp their eyeballs
twisting the words of Arabs to fit the Washington/israeli script. I have no way of knowing whether what this scholar was saying was being accurately translated in the subtitles. But I do know that MEMRI TV make it a point to translate and show interviews showing Arabs and Muslims generally in a bad light. Just as I know you're purpose here is to cause division and strife. Judging from the expression of the interviewer's face, I'd have to say this speaker was probably making a lot of questionable statements which even the interviewer had a hard time swallowing. You have absolutely no grasp of the psy-ops and psycho-political maneuvers these people specialise in, of course they will translate anti- Israeli material, you fool, they are supposed to look fair and well balanced, not the blatant Zionist anti-Muslim Arab haters they really are! Since MEMRI was founded and is largely run by ex-MOSSAD, I will not be able to take anything they translate seriously. |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 29 November 2007 at 4:45am
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So you shouldnt take Iran and Hezbollah seriously either. And what is your point, are you saying that the video is mistranslated? I assure you it's not and Memri very often upload what they call "Muslim conspiracy theories" because they want Muslims to look "paranoid" and of course for someone who doesn't know the facts the video of this Sunni Iranian appears that way, but when you know the facts (and you would if you, for example read my posts) then it makes perfect sense and you would know what he is talking about. This is why it doesn't show the full interview.
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Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 29 November 2007 at 12:48pm
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Oh, of course, I was forgetting: you , Sawtul, are ALWAYS right!
What was I thinking ...? |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 29 November 2007 at 4:58pm
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Not always, just 99% of times |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 1:19am
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Sawtul Khilafah: After experiencing the Shias' corrosive friendships, you don't
need to convince me how their mind works -secrecy and dissimulation! This should not be part of the Muslims character but sadly it is becoming an accepted
trait and now we call it smart politics! I am flabbergasted at the mentality of the shias in this day and age that they still want to continue this hateful practice knowing fully well that in no uncertain terms that regiular Muslim will not put up with this nonsense! It is a historical fact that after the Prophet (s) Umar was the greatest caliph to establish the foundations of the Islamic world, rise and fall of the later dynasties notwithstanding! And the Prophet(s) saying that if God had wanted to continue the prophesy the next candidate would have been Umar(r)! ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 9:15pm
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Sawtul, I can't believe you just posted something with subtitles by MEMRI TV! The chap stands exposed and now we all know who he works for and also why he always sells us MEMRI stuff. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 5:22am
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The video I posted is from a youtube user called OmaralFarsi who keeps posting stuff about Shias, in this case he posted a memri video because it had English subtitles, but in any case memri has hundreds of videos of Shias too so if you think Memri supports every video on that they translate then you will come to the same conclusion that they support Shia leaders like Hasan Nasrollah and the Iranian Government.
Yeah it's funny how so many Sunnis are tricked into thinking that Iran is fooling the West! I mean seriously, do people think that they know that Iran is fooling Western Governments but the Western Governments and their intelligence agencies dont!!!!????
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 1:48pm
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My friend, either you are just absolutely goners or you are one of the smartest moles we have ever had on our site. Are you seriously trying to tell us that you don't know MEMRI role? ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 3:47pm
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I already explained why I think Memri had this on their site:
Also if you think everything on Memri is Israeli propaganda, then you should know that they also have videos of Shia leaders like the leader and president of Iran and Hasan Nasrollah leader of "hezbollah" and Taliban and Saudis and many many many many other people. They may be trying to USE something for propaganda purpose, but that doesn't mean they have made it. For example on Memri they even have videos of Muslims saying 9/11 was a conspiracy. So you might ask what is their purpose and why they post this. Well because they think that such videos makes Muslims look "paranoid", it doesn't matter if it's true or not to them. Also if you show someone a few excerpts of a video of a Sunni accusing Iran of working with Israel, then most viewers would think that the Sunni man is a "paranoid conspiracy theorist" - as I said, that is why they dont show the whole video and only show a few parts of it. But the reason I posted it here is that I have already explained the stuff about Iran and Israel, so it didnt matter that the video wasnt complete and I just posted it to prove that there are others who have done their own research and have come to the same conclusions that I have. |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:24pm
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What all of us are trying to tell you is that: Most, if not all, of MEMRI translations are mistranslations. Do you understand that or is it just one of your kertebs like claiming to be an Afghan one day and Italian the next? ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:24pm
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"For example on Memri they even have videos of Muslims saying 9/11
was a conspiracy. So you might ask what is their purpose and why they post this. Well because they think that such videos makes Muslims look "paranoid", it doesn't matter if it's true or not to them. Also if you show someone a few excerpts of a video of a Sunni accusing Iran of working with Israel, then most viewers would think that the Sunni man is a "paranoid conspiracy theorist" - as I said, that is why they dont show the whole video and only show a few parts of it." Well done, Sawtul you're almost there ...... You yourself have just pointed out the technique, one you are totally enslaved to: plant members of the organisation on BOTH sides of the argument, creating confusion and disorientation (which, by the way, is what your circular arguments do to most people on this forum) so it is possible to argue MEMRI are exactly what they claim to be (an independent service) but also possible to argue they are what they really are: Israeli/Zionist agents working to confuse and disorient the public as to the Muslim ummah. This is especially easy in your case (and it appears SR's) where pre-existing sectarian ideology causes friction. You are exceedingly naive and have lost credibility by arguing IN FAVOUR of a well established Israeli/Zionist agenda organisation, MEMRI. Why not just post the editorial from Haaretz, or Richard Perle's pearls? |
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 11:30pm
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I would suggest. you should find some suitable avtar for yourself, like the eye on the dollar, the devils horns or something similar. You are abusing this avtar, I am back in good old Spain (though you will be shocked to see my location changed to UK, as I will be there next week just for the week!!) and I am going to deal with you like those lawyers and the civil community is now dealing with the other International liar, Pervez Musharraf. ------------- Sasha Khanzadeh |
Posted By: nu001
Date Posted: 26 January 2012 at 1:26pm
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So, where has this guy disappeared, who was relentlessly preaching that US and EU are friends of Iran?? Where are you Swatul Khalifa the agent?? The preacher of hate amongst Islam?? The Shia-Sunni pov ------------- "Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah" |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 01 February 2012 at 5:27pm
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Lots of guys have disappeared in last couple years. This site looks like a ghost town! Of course the Iranian Revolution was bad experiment with Mullahs by guys in Langley around the Shah's white revolution time frame. Simply put the Shah was getting too cocky for the Americans with rising revenues post oil embargo of six days war. The cia tried a half ass backward approach instigating an uprising that got out of hand not unlike the Neocons' screw up with Iraqis. Does anyone doubt about the shiias in Washington role play? Have you kept track of the events in Iraq? The Malki group has issued the arrest warrants for the Sunni VP who has gone in hiding and the chances of civil war are in the offing. I think lot of things SK wrote have come true. e.g., what do say about the power and influence of Sadrites of Muqtada al-Sadr. What gives? The Sunnis have been marginalized being in minority; in Syria being in majority. cuz they been terrified into submission being the vanquished people just being fat, dumb and happy. But lately Erdogan ascendancy in Turkey they are waking up. Something good may happen after spilling of Sunnis blood at the hands of Alvites! inshallah ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: nu001
Date Posted: 05 February 2012 at 12:33pm
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If an educated Muslim like you, talk ithis tone, I'm afraid that US and Israeli propaganda spread by millions of SW is being successful. US NEVER will fight Iran, they want in to be a Shia Sunni fight and people like you are giving into it... Very unfortunate....
Are the Saudis Sunnis?? And first of all tell me... If a mormen can come in power of USA, if a Barak Obama can be US president.. Anyone should be able to come as president in a democracy... Well Syria isn't a perfect democracy...and u have all the right to ask for a reform... How can u even bring up a logic like... Sunni majority being ruled by .. Bla bla.....?? U are my friend giving into US and SW propaganda.... Ask for a reform for democratic reason... Not for shia Sunni reason..... Unfortunate.... Leave all these Shia Sunni business's and go back to Quran and that's the best way to follow Muhammad.... Because he followed the Quran.... Pl give up all other falsehoods....u will see the way.. ------------- "Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah" |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 06 February 2012 at 10:57pm
If we are going to have a discussion or debate in politics section let's be honest with house rule i.e., check the political correctness at the door and stick with factual evidence only.
I say is based upon what I have personally experienced spanning over close to major part of a century. So Israeli American propaganda has no meaning per se so far I am concerned.You lost me on SW! Anyone elected to domicile in the west under the control of the western financial system has no room to argue about propaganda. Do I need to shed more light on it?
So you are convinced about what Sawtul Khilafa wrote! They will support a non sunni or ignore their atrocities for as long as possible. It was the Sunni Realm the Anglo American power demolished with defeat of the Ottomans and created the Saudi neocolony with a knowledge that the area was going to be the major oil source for the Detroit Motor company and supply line for the wars. It is called long term planning!
It has been unfortunate record for millennium and a half. The west has taken the advantage of the a built in flaw! If you don't see what I see that is OK. Have you read the Arabian / Ottoman History? Would you blame Halago khan for the destruction of Abbasids and massacre of the so called Muslims?
The Saudis are Saudis...If you know something about East India company and the Nawabs of India then you wouldn't ask such questions! And first of all tell me... If a mormen can come in power of USA, if a Barak Obama can be US president.. Anyone should be able to come as president in a democracy... Not really. The corporate and bankers will see who performs well for their money.People take sides for self interest afterward! It is an orchestrated show.
LOL
Democracy in Arab populated world? Are you kidding? see what is happening in Egypt and Iraq and Syria right now nothing but savagery! You need to get the blinders off to see these people who have some serious issues of character. The democracy is for the people who literate in true sense of the word not for the ignorant folks. My pointing to the Alwite Asads dictatorship is a fact that is not lost on the world.
The talk is cheap and that cheapens Quran and which brings the curse of God. These people have been in bondage for so long that they are left with much. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/02/egypt-soccer-riot_n_1251629.html - Egypt Soccer Riot: Clashes Between Police, Protesters Turn Deadly In Suezhttp://original.antiwar.com/updates/2012/02/06/shiite-led-govt-still-targeting-rivals-even-as-cabinet-drops-boycott/ - Shi�ite-Led Govt. Still Targeting Rivals, Even As Cabinet Drops Boycotthttp://news.antiwar.com/2012/02/06/55-killed-in-latest-round-of-sectarian-clashes-in-northern-yemen/ - 55 Killed in Latest Round of Sectarian Clashes in Northern YemenHow many with name like Muhammad got killed, where as a dogs can't be killed like that in the US or Israel! BTW Quran is in their language. What gives? ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |