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Topic: Hello from America
Posted By: Diagoras
Subject: Hello from America
Date Posted: 06 November 2007 at 6:40pm
Well, here goes.

I was flipping through the channels on my TV, from one random news station to another. I happened to land on FOX news and watched some guy rant about Islam, going on about how it is evil and intolerant. Then it hit me: I actually don't know any Muslims. Or Arabs. Or anyone from the Middle East. Everything I hear is from the government or from some giant news corporation.

This is even true on the Internet. Muslims stick to some websites, non-Muslims to others. So I googled "Islam" and picked the first link that wasn't an article or a rant. And here I am.

So, an atheist, upper-class, fervently democratic-republican American has arrived on your forum. I'm interested in getting to know and understanding a group of people I've been told we're at war with, yet I've never met.

Anyway, hi.


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A proud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic - constitutional democratic republican .

The board's friendly neighborhood atheist.



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Posted By: marchfriday
Date Posted: 06 November 2007 at 9:44pm

hi, welcome to forum

Yes biased media reporting could be attributed to geographical and religious affiliations. Many times i found conflicting reports on the on different channels. Anyhow you will get all flavours here..just stay here..be part of running threads.

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Posted By: Randolph Cabral
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 1:47pm

Hi,

I too am new to this forum.  For what it is worth, it is perhaps always better to get to know people for who they are as you personally know them, not for who others say they are.



Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 6:00pm

Originally posted by Diagoras Diagoras wrote:

Well, here goes.

I was flipping through the channels on my TV, from one random news station to another. I happened to land on FOX news and watched some guy rant about Islam, going on about how it is evil and intolerant. Then it hit me: I actually don't know any Muslims. Or Arabs. Or anyone from the Middle East. Everything I hear is from the government or from some giant news corporation.

This is even true on the Internet. Muslims stick to some websites, non-Muslims to others. So I googled "Islam" and picked the first link that wasn't an article or a rant. And here I am.

So, an atheist, upper-class, fervently democratic-republican American has arrived on your forum. I'm interested in getting to know and understanding a group of people I've been told we're at war with, yet I've never met.

Anyway, hi.

Hi Diagoras,

We welcome you to IslamiCity.

We won't give you any clarifications as how are we not tolerant and how is this religion not evil. But yes, we like u to know by yourselves, being an active member here and discussing.. Insha-Allah,{If Allah wills}, u shall get all your questions answered. We welcome any kind of questions from u. We have a very good panel of members and mods who shall help u here.

Now,after meeting us, do u think we are at war ?  .Such are we misunderstood and blamed. Anyways i Pray Allah swt, to bless you.

See u active in discussions. We have many sections, U can participate there and get your questions clarified.



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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."


Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by Randolph Cabral Randolph Cabral wrote:

Hi,

I too am new to this forum.  For what it is worth, it is perhaps always better to get to know people for who they are as you personally know them, not for who others say they are.

Hi Randolph Cabral,

We welcome you to the discussions of Islamicity .

Yes, you got it right. That we better know people personally rather than knowing it from others. Hope and wish u enjoy being a part of Islamicity. KNOW US BETTER



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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."


Posted By: on1on5
Date Posted: 13 November 2007 at 12:52pm

Hello both to Randolph and to the upper-class fervently democratic republican Diagoras.

Please be sure that I am very glad to see you here and we may even be thankful to the big liers of media since they provoked a reaction and curiosity in you to learn more about Islam.

Once you become suspicious about the "fact" being imposed on you and begin to investigate the facts underlying the "fact" then the door is wide open to you.

Islam is not an Arabic religion and god in Islam-Allah-is not a middle eastern god. Maybe this simple statement is the first to be thought on by a westerner.

I am sure that you will benefit much from this website and be surprised about the things you learn about Muslims. Please donot ignore the Islam as a thinking method while studying Muslims as  a social issue. welcome again.

 



Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 9:42am

Peace D,

Here is a link to a post on this site that talks about some important Islaamic concepts:

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10685 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10685

 



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 9:44am

Originally posted by Diagoras Diagoras wrote:

Well, here goes.

I was flipping through the channels on my TV, from one random news station to another. I happened to land on FOX news and watched some guy rant about Islam, going on about how it is evil and intolerant. Then it hit me: I actually don't know any Muslims. Or Arabs. Or anyone from the Middle East. Everything I hear is from the government or from some giant news corporation.

This is even true on the Internet. Muslims stick to some websites, non-Muslims to others. So I googled "Islam" and picked the first link that wasn't an article or a rant. And here I am.

So, an atheist, upper-class, fervently democratic-republican American has arrived on your forum. I'm interested in getting to know and understanding a group of people I've been told we're at war with, yet I've never met.

Anyway, hi.

D,

What is a fervently democratic republican?

This is from a sincerly devout Muslim American who has voted for Nader in every past election, and may write him in this time.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 9:47am
Check out my sig's link.

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A proud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic - constitutional democratic republican .

The board's friendly neighborhood atheist.


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 4:28pm

Originally posted by Diagoras Diagoras wrote:

Check out my sig's link.

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A constitutional republic is a state where the head of state and other officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens. In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers are separated into distinct branches and the will of the majority of the population is tempered by protections for individual rights so that no individual or group has absolute power. The fact that a constitution exists that limits the government's power, makes the state constitutional. That the head(s) of state and other officials are chosen by election, rather than inheriting their positions, and that their decisions are subject to judicial review makes a state republican. This is the type of government used in the United States of America.

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  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic#Purpose_and_Scope - 1 Purpose and Scope
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic#Support - 2 Support
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic#Criticism - 3 Criticism
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic#References - 4 References
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic#Contrast - 5 Contrast
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[edit] Purpose and Scope

Constitutional Republics are a deliberate attempt to diminish the threat of mobocracy thereby protecting dissenting individuals and minority groups from the tyranny of the majority by placing checks on the power of the majority of the population.[1] The power of the majority of the people is checked by limiting that power to electing representatives who govern within limits of overarching constitutional law rather than the popular vote having legislative power itself. John Adams defined a constitutional republic as "a government of laws, and not of men."[2] Also, the power of government officials is checked by allowing no single individual to hold executive, legislative and judicial powers. Instead these powers are separated into distinct branches that serve as a check and balance on each other. A constitutional republic is designed so that "no person or group [can] rise to absolute power."[3]

The notion of the constitutional republic originates with Aristotle's Politics and his notion of a possible fifth type of government called the polity. He contrasts the polity of republican government with democracy and oligarchy in book 3, chapter 6 of Politics. Polity, in the general descriptive sense, can refer to the political organizational system that is being used by a particular group, be it a tribe, a city-state, an empire, a corporation, etc. In Aristotle's second, more specific sense of the word, he envisioned a polity to be a combination of what he thought were the best characteristics of oligarchy (rule by the wealthy) and democracy (rule by the poor). The polity government would be ruled by the many in the best interests of the whole.

Oligarchies favored the wealthy members of society and featured elected leadership positions. Democracies favored the poor and middle-class members, of which there are usually greater numbers, and had features such as legislative assemblies open to citizens of voting age. When taken to heart, so to speak, and used correctly, the polity form of government would be the most ideal government possible, thought Aristotle, because it could take input from community members of all levels and rule fairly in the interests of the whole community and not just the majority.

Constitutional republics were first advocated in the 18th and 19th centuries by liberals, who were engaged at the time in a political and ideological conflict against conservative supporters of traditional monarchy. Since the beginning of the 20th century, constitutional republics have entered the political mainstream and have gathered the support of many other ideologies in addition to liberalism. Political debate on the issue of constitutional republicanism has largely subsided.

The United States of America is one of the oldest constitutional republics in the world. According to James Woodburn, in The American Republic and Its Government, "the constitutional republic with its limitations on popular government is clearly involved in the Constitution, as seen in the election of the President, the election of the Senate and the appointment of the Supreme Court." That is, the ability of the people to choose officials in government is checked by not allowing them to elect Supreme Court justices. Woodburn says that in a republic, as distinguished from a democracy, the people are not only checked in choosing officials but also in making laws.[4] A Bill of Rights exists in the U.S. Constitution which protects certain individual rights. The individual rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights cannot be voted away by the majority of citizens if they wished to oppress a minority who does not agree with the restrictions on liberty that they wish to impose. To eliminate these rights would require government officials overcoming constitutional checks as well as a two-thirds majority vote of Congress and ratification by three-fourths of the States in order to amend the Constitution.

A constitutional republic is a form of liberal democracy, but not all liberal democracies are constitutional republics. For example, though the head of state is not elected in a monarchy, it may still be a liberal democracy if there is a parliament with elected representatives that govern according to constitutional law protecting individual rights (called a constitutional democratic monarchy). Also, a representative democracy may or may not be a constitutional republic. For example, "the United States relies on representative democracy, but [its] system of government is much more complex than that. [It is] not a simple representative democracy, but a constitutional republic in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law."[5]

[edit] Support

Alexander Tsesis, in The Thirteenth Amendment and American Freedom: A Legal History says, to him, a constitutional republic means "a representative polity established on fundamental law, each person has the right to pursue and fulfill his or her unobtrusive vision of the good life. In such a society, the common good is the cumulative product of free and equal individuals who pursue meaningful aims."[6]

[edit] Criticism

Karl Marx claimed that a constitutional republic is a protective legal framework for what he considered to be "capitalist exploitation." He says: "All the bourgeois economists are aware of is that production can be carried on better under the modern police than e.g. on the principle of might makes right. They forget only that this principle is also a legal relation, and that the right of the stronger prevails in their 'constitutional republics' as well, only in another form."[7]

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[edit] Contrast

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Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 5:55pm
This is my what? It's my preferred from of government if that's what you mean.

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A proud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic - constitutional democratic republican .

The board's friendly neighborhood atheist.


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 11:40pm

Originally posted by Diagoras Diagoras wrote:

This is my what? It's my preferred from of government if that's what you mean.

Peace D,

I'm not trying to pick on you, really.  But that's like saying my preferred planet is Earth.  I mean, you and I were born in America, right?  So we like our government, well, for me, sort of.

I like the idea of separation of powers, but the idea is not working.  Otherwise Bush would have been impeached long ago for usurping congressional and judicial powers.

Peace.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 17 November 2007 at 11:43pm
I concur. However, many people do not live under our system and many oppose it. On the web, which is international, I like to proclaim my allegiance to democracy.

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A proud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic - constitutional democratic republican .

The board's friendly neighborhood atheist.


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 12:31am

Originally posted by Diagoras Diagoras wrote:

I concur. However, many people do not live under our system and many oppose it. On the web, which is international, I like to proclaim my allegiance to democracy.

As an American Muslim, my allegiance is to Allah, The All-Knowing, The Wise, The forgiving, The All-Powerful, The Loving.

 



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 10:20am
And to the Constitution, right?

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A proud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic - constitutional democratic republican .

The board's friendly neighborhood atheist.


Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 5:55pm

Originally posted by Diagoras Diagoras wrote:

Well, here goes.

I was flipping through the channels on my TV, from one random news station to another. I happened to land on FOX news and watched some guy rant about Islam, going on about how it is evil and intolerant. Then it hit me: I actually don't know any Muslims. Or Arabs. Or anyone from the Middle East. Everything I hear is from the government or from some giant news corporation.

This is even true on the Internet. Muslims stick to some websites, non-Muslims to others. So I googled "Islam" and picked the first link that wasn't an article or a rant. And here I am.

So, an atheist, upper-class, fervently democratic-republican American has arrived on your forum. I'm interested in getting to know and understanding a group of people I've been told we're at war with, yet I've never met.

Anyway, hi.

Hello, welcome to the forum.  Insha Allah ( God willing ), you would like this place. Following are some useful links that may be helpful:

http://www.islamicity.com/education/understandingislamandmuslims/ - http://www.islamicity.com/education/understandingislamandmus lims/

English translation of Qur'an:

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/SURAI.HTM - http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/SURAI.HTM

You may also like to read the guidelines to familiarize yourself with the rules and regulations that everyone here is expected to comply with:

Guidelines

Guidelines Updates

May Allah guide us and enlighten us all at every point as we strive to seek knowledge of Islam.

Peace

 



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Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 7:01pm

Originally posted by Diagoras Diagoras wrote:

And to the Constitution, right?

You mean how it allowed slavery and didn't give the vote to women and blacks?

No.  I think I'll bravely say that we could use a new one.  We have way too many loopholes allowing for systemic human rights abuses in and outside of America.

If a bunch of ethnocentric, slaveowning white guys could do it, I'd say that we'd have a good chance of doing a better job today with women, blacks, asians, hispanics, arabs contributing to the process.

Peace



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 18 November 2007 at 9:01pm
The fact that both of those horrors were abolished shows that the system works, it self-corrects. But anyway, what in particular would you rewrite?

Oh, by the way, it's not the American Constitution in particular that my sig talks about but rather a constitutional form of government. Namely, a representative democracy with separation of powers and enshrined individual liberties.


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A proud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic - constitutional democratic republican .

The board's friendly neighborhood atheist.


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 6:09am

Originally posted by Diagoras Diagoras wrote:

The fact that both of those horrors were abolished shows that the system works, it self-corrects. But anyway, what in particular would you rewrite?

Oh, by the way, it's not the American Constitution in particular that my sig talks about but rather a constitutional form of government. Namely, a representative democracy with separation of powers and enshrined individual liberties.

Salaams,

Enshrining something is akin to worshipping it.  The Constitution is a piece of paper written by the people I mentioned previously, a bunch of nasty white guys who cared for their own freedoms but not that of people of color or women.

They did a few things right.  We should keep those things.  It is not self-correction when the blood and lives of hundreds of thousands is spilled to change it.  And right now it is an embarrassing, evil shame on all of us.  We sit here quietly discussing this while millions of people suffer because of its inadequacies. 

Now, if the people of this land -- where I and my family have lived for a couple hundred years -- rise up, as Tom Jefferson recommended we do, and overthrow this tyranical, evil, culture-and-country-destroying machine, then I may say that it is eventually self-correcting.  I am ashamed of this government and those of my people who are in power today who allow this evil empire that it has become, to continue, while all we do is say:  This is bad!  We need to do something!  Let's DO something!

Wait.  Maybe the people who are relatively comfortable in our homes, even though we struggle with all of the torture and deaths, are just sitting here saying:  As long as they don't come for Me, it's better not to really do anything.  (We know that this lack of principle has not worked in the past of course.  They'll come for us whenever it suits them.)

We should have stood up to Bush and thrown him out long ago!  We are responsible, and so is our constitution, which I consider completely unenshrinable.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 12:42pm
Okay, what would you change about the Constitution?

And by the way, do you support a constitutional democratic republic?


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A proud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic - constitutional democratic republican .

The board's friendly neighborhood atheist.


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 10:21am

Originally posted by Diagoras Diagoras wrote:

Okay, what would you change about the Constitution?

And by the way, do you support a constitutional democratic republic?

Salaams,

To answer your first question, I would need to sit down with that paper, the constitution, and go over it in detail to tell you the necessary changes, which I'm not interested in doing.  When I am asked to be a part of a committee that would undertake that, that might be a different story.

As to your second question, I kind of feel like a Czech during the Second World War being questioned by the Nazis during occupation as to my loyalties to the Fuhrer.  Do you know how bad that question sounds during these times of the UnPatriotic Act and liberal suspension of your hallowed "Bill of Rights"? 

People are shocked when I tell them that DHS could come into anyone's homes here in good ole USA and search, seize, and take you away without charging you or informing anyone of your whereabouts.

When you haven't seen me post for months at a time, you'll know I'm banned, dead or taken prisoner for being a believer in Allah, and a believer in human rights and freedom, and an outspoken critic of your hallowed system of government and finances!

Allah, the Most Loving, does not take human rights away ever.  Allah, The Glorious, gives us rights and responsibilities, and our loyalites as Muslims lie with Allah, The Most Righteous, not a government system or a paper that destroys humanity, and especially those who love Allah.

Allah, The Just, embued women and people of all races with inherent dignity.  It is only blind loyalty to systems not inspired by Allah that creates agony among humanity.  We need to know that all cultures, all races, all people can return to Allah's mercy through listening to the wisdom that Allah, The Wise, has provided for us.  Really, we need to start by stopping the destruction and by taking real, positive action that makes a difference in this world.  And I say that last sentence to you as a fellow American.

Peace



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 12:18pm
Erm...the United States is the way it is today precisely because it didn't follow its constitutional origins.  As you pointed out, the Bill of Rights specifically prohibits many currently existing laws and is being violated.

I'm not asking if you support America, or its Constitution. I'm asking if you support a system built on the principles of a constitutional republic (institutional checks and balances, power comes from the people, separation of church and state, etc.) From your reply I'm guessing you support a theocratic state, is this true?


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A proud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic - constitutional democratic republican .

The board's friendly neighborhood atheist.


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 8:31pm
Originally posted by Diagoras Diagoras wrote:

Erm...the United States is the way it is today precisely because it didn't follow its constitutional origins.  As you pointed out, the Bill of Rights specifically prohibits many currently existing laws and is being violated.

I'm not asking if you support America, or its Constitution. I'm asking if you support a system built on the principles of a constitutional republic (institutional checks and balances, power comes from the people, separation of church and state, etc.) From your reply I'm guessing you support a theocratic state, is this true?


Salaams,

I disagree with you Diagoras.  The problem rests in the fact that the US government was founded by people who owned slaves and didn't regard women as intelligent beings with the right to vote.  A foundation of such evil matters can only bring evil into it. 

However, Islaam came into an idol worshiping, misogynistic, corrupt, class conscious, slave trading society and turned it around with some immediate laws, and some that were eased in over time to end all of these evil practices. 

Many people have twisted the laws of Allah, The Evolver, and they will meet the judgment of Allah, The All-Powerful for their deeds.  However, the basic ideals of how a society should operate do lie within the tenets of Islaam.  And that is a much better place to start to make a document designed to govern with peace, fairness, and respect for human and animal life and property.


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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 24 November 2007 at 9:30pm
The United States also grew out of its slave-trading, misogynistic background. However, theocracies such as Afghanistan and Iran have intensely oppressive laws regarding women and civil liberties.

Where in the tenets of Islam are checks and balances, or democracy, or unalienable liberties enumerated? And how is a government built on Muslim principles fair to all of its non-Muslim citizens?

Democracy and republicanism - including respect for human rights - only arose out of the Enlightenment when the power of religious, autocratic authorities was replaced with secular, democratic ones. Christofascist here in the United States are trying to return us to a Dark Ages civilization, I do not wish to follow them.


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A proud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic - constitutional democratic republican .

The board's friendly neighborhood atheist.


Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 25 November 2007 at 6:38am

 

 Diagoras, USA is a recent case. The example of England may even be better than USA as far as democracy is concerned. Please have a look at the recent and very old history too. Then tell us something, some example of good and bad governments.

 I won't support the present day Iran but I will ask you whether you knew anything about the late king of Iran. Is the present system of Iran better or that rule by the King??

Also please keep in mind the lesson / opinion given by the greatest philosopher (Socrates) who preferred the rule by a philosopher king as the best one ( The Republic). He kept the democracy at the third place. We need to look after the moral values also, not only liberties and the statues of unbridled liberties.

So far, the going is quite good for USA. But who knows what is in store for the people. Every one is free to think and solve the national problems. We hope they will keep up their good work.

 If leaders in Iran and Afghanistan are not ruling well then that is not the fault of Islam. It can be blamed on the misguided leaders. The state may not be theocratic at all. But if a state sticks to the good advice given in the Quran then all matters of reasonable civil liberties are defined in that book. One can make maximum use of it. No harm.

 And the transition can be gradual, as it had happened in Makkah and Madinah. Many non muslim governments of the present day are far better and much more sensible than the muslim governments. The Muslims should have learnt a good lesson  from the secular governments. But they did not. So they will keep on suffering. And they will bring a bad name to the religion of Islam too.



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Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 25 November 2007 at 10:41am
I find this discussion interesting, however, it's rather offtopic for a "Hello" forum. Would anyone be interested in continuing this discussion in the "World Politics" forum?


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Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 25 November 2007 at 8:08pm

Originally posted by Diagoras Diagoras wrote:

I find this discussion interesting, however, it's rather offtopic for a "Hello" forum. Would anyone be interested in continuing this discussion in the "World Politics" forum?

Salaams,

Idha momken, na'am.  If it is possible, sure.



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Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 25 November 2007 at 8:27pm
It's up in the "World Politics" forum, the topic is "Political Systems."

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Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 26 November 2007 at 3:06am

 

 Diagoras, just when I was ready to score a point, you have shifted the goal post. What we had written before has been left behind.



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Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 26 November 2007 at 5:02am
A fair point. I'll post a reply to your point in that topic.

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Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 26 November 2007 at 5:05am
Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 

 Diagoras, just when I was ready to score a point, you have shifted the goal post. What we had written before has been left behind.


ROFL.  You KNOW you can cut and paste, right?


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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 26 November 2007 at 5:07am
Yeah, that was kinda my idea. 

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Posted By: Diagoras
Date Posted: 26 November 2007 at 6:57pm
minuteman, my response is up.

And come on herjihad, join the discussion.


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