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rami
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
Some believe he was asleep, others believe that he took an actual conscious out-of-body travel to the 7 levels of Heaven This isnt correct, the difference is in whether or not he made the journey physically or his spirit alone [see muhammad asad notes in his translation of the quran] , no one ever claimed he was sleeping ie having a dream and this would be kufr to say since allah said he took him and the prophet [sallahllahu alaihi wa sallam] said he went to Jerusalem and described its physical aspect as proof of his journey. this itself is testimony to the existence of this phenomenon, you also can not use an assumption to negate what is within the realm of possibility you would need explicit evidence for that, i have never seen anything from any islamic source. |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Israfil
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Angel were you asking me: "What if you haven't taken any drugs or anything that alters your state of mind?" Well, this would depend on your short and long term memory and whether or not they are activating to give you the correct memories to conjure. I also haven't forgotten about Muhammad's night journey. You must have forgotten that it is not universal on exactly the state of the prophet. Some believe he was asleep, others believe that he took an actual conscious out-of-body travel to the 7 levels of Heaven. The prophet wasn't naturally super natural either. All that he did was by God's will therefore, the spiritual travel he made was not of his own doing anyway but by God's and besides, prophets and their abilities aren't necessarily "normal" so this is perhaps an exception to the rule. |
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rami
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum Sounds like something a sufi would say or some sort of monkery i dont know seems farfetched to me. To begin withg GROW UP, if i was to quote you the list of shaykhs who where ""sufi's"" and whom you just insulted you would feel disgusted with yourself, no doubt you follow them without even knowing and the only thing you know about tassawuf is from gossip and third hand information. Educate yourself then speak! this article deals with something similar to astral projection, http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?ar ticleID=21557 this paper deals with remote viewing, Unconventional Human Intelligence Support: Transcendent and Asymmetric Warfare Implications of Remote Viewing: http://www.lfr.org/LFR/csl/library/Bremseth.pdf by:Commander L. R. Bremseth, United States Navy, 28 April 2001 Edited by rami |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Angel
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When you know that you haven't taken any drugs or anything else It seems like that people have forgotten about Muhammad and his one night travel so far away did Muhammad take some kind of drug? Edited by Angel |
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Israfil
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I think they need to lay off the drugs. PCP and Ketamine (Dissassociative Drugs that are anesthetics used in some surgical procedures) can give you this effect by feeling like you are not "yourself" so to speak and give you the sensation of traveling outside your body. I'm not denying that it is impossible to travel in this form however given the laws of physics especially the physiological structure and the mental status I highly would consider such an act highly impossible. Even if it were possible to travel out of the body how does the individual know that they are not simply hallucinating? Native Americans smoke Peyote, a hallucinogen, which gives them the effect that they see things in vivid images and are travelling to various dimensions. I'm really skeptical of people who say that they have been to far reaches of the universe because they don't have any proof. I can easily say I've travelled to the planet Mercury without showing proof. To answer your question you said: Is it considered wrong to attempt to project your consciousness outside of your body? If so then why? Yes and no. Yes, as mentioned above given that spiritual travel is not something common to the average human or even "super human" how can there be any empirical proof that this type of experience is "real?" Meaning, how can I empirically experience what this person experienced? Frankly, it has never been accurately done before. How can you project your consciousness outside your body? This seems like Cartesian Dualism in a way because there is one side that says your consciousness is the assimilation of all your physiological structures in your brain. The other side says that your consciousness is your soul, so in that respect in a two part question, how can you project sometimthing apart of your physiological structure? Also, how does your soul travel outside its body? The soul is encapsulated in the body and is the life force and without it, we would die so how do you make your soul (or int his case consciousness) travel? Also no, it may not be wrong to attempt to project your consciousness outside your body because nothing is wrong to the one experiencing it. Our subjective truths are true to us. Edited by Israfil |
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LivesByTheRiver
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Is this not a sign of some existance far greater than the reality that our 5 senses are used to?
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LivesByTheRiver
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There are people who are totally blind from birth and who dont even dream with visual images who can see with their soul's eyes when they travel outside of their bodies. So its kind of hard to discount those experiences.
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Allahuakbar501
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Sounds like something a sufi would say or some sort of monkery i dont know seems farfetched to me.
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