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minuteman
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It so happens some time that the people try to ascribe certain meanings to their faith which is not supported by the their holy book. In that way they try to be an advocate of something which is not in the book. That means they are cleverer than the book. The book is quiet and does not make any claim but the people try to make the claim being wiser than their own book. Every claim must be supported by the book and the reasons for the claim should also be given from the original book. Not from one self. That applies to all religions and their books, The Quran, The Bible OT and NT, etc. Edited by minuteman |
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Andalus
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Indeed brother, those are wise words...and a lot of meaning with few of them (words). |
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
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minuteman
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I wanted to present a few words on the topic. A prophet is a chosen man of God to whom Allah reveals some message (news of the unseen). This message is sometime in spoken words, sometime in written words shown in a dream. That is called Wahi (revelation). The quality and quantity of the Wahi of a prophet is always high. It is not necessary for a prophet to bring any new law (Shariyat). In special cases, the spoken words forms the part of a book of law. That type of Wahi has been stopped and no new person will come with any new law. But other forms of Wahi are still allowed. They may contain good or bad news only. The prophet s.a.w.s. had said," There is nothing left pf the Nabuwwat except the Mubashshirat." The Sahabah asked Huzoor, "What is meant by Mubashshirat?" The prophet said " Visions", meaning true dreams only. |
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buddyman
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The Bible tells us what a prophet is. That is how we can distinguish from a false prophet, which is why I posted what I did previously. |
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minuteman
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O.K. Good. Please let us know what bible says about what prophet is. Thanks. Please be accurate and tell it from the Bible OT only with proper reference so that we may also check it up. |
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buddyman
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Minuteman, I did. Read the first few pages of this thread:-) |
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Andulus, Answers to you questions.
How do you derive 70 weeks? 490 years?
As Imentioned before. We are told, that 1 week is equal to 7 years. There are 7 days in the week. 1 day equals one year. So we then take 7 and times that by 70 and get 490 years (the prophecy is 70 weeks wich is equal to 490 years)
The year 457 as a decree to rebuild
We get this date because it's the last date at which the decree was given to rebuild the temple (Artaxerxes gave the last decree and Cyprus made it happen)
What is 483 years?
This is when the prophecy gets to the 69th week. This is from the time the decree was given until the temple was rebuilt.
How do you arrive at Jesus being crucified at 31 CE? How do you get from 457 BCE to 31 CE?
From the time the decree was given in 457 BC to when the temple was built the prophecy states that Messiah the Prince. How do we get to the date 31? We are toldin the Bible who was in power during those times and then we just look at history. For example, we know that Pontius Pilate was a Roman governor during Jesus's time.
Please don't forget to read the Book of Daniel. Let me know if you've read any part of it yet and then we can discuss. |
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minuteman
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O.K. Buddyman, I have read your first post. It is telling a lot about a true prophet and false prophet but in a vague way. I find the reply by Andalus (of 04 July) the best one for your post. According to your fromula, even Moses cannot be a prophet because he never taught about Jesus. Please see that reply by Andalus again below:
An extremely cursory approach to such an important idea. It is very difficult to follow your work, as you try and mix the NT with the OT, and you bury unproven assumptions in your work. As an example, in your second test, you stated:
This is Christian theological doctrine, not a "truth". You cannot expect me, or any non Christian, to believe that a prophet must agree with 1 John? If everyone held this belief as true, then we would be Christians. My reply would be, "Gee, I did not read 1 John! What can I say? I am astounded Buddy! See you at church on sunday!". 1) I reject 1 John and ask you to authenticate this as having an authority from Jesus(or from any author that knew Jesus). You have an unproven, buried assumption about the validty of 1 John, and Christian doctrine. 2) I do not believe Jesus was divine, which is yet another assumption you buried in this theological hyperbole. I say that any man who claims Jesus, or anything of this world is God, is false. Moses did not teach of Jesus, and never prayed to him. I reserve my right to later add to what is said above. But the reply by Andalus should be an eye opener for the Buddyman. I am surprised that Buddyman has not replied to all those points. |
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