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buddyman
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No this prophecy about the coming Messiah is very important: Anointed on time: Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times." Daniel 9:25 Fulfillment
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buddyman
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No truth is more clearly taught in the Bible than that God by His Holy Spirit especially directs His servants on earth in the great movements for the carrying forward of the work of salvation. Men are instruments in the hand of God, employed by Him to accomplish His purposes of grace and mercy. Each has his part to act; to each is granted a measure of light, adapted to the necessities of his time, and sufficient to enable him to perform the work which God has given him to do. But no man, however honored of Heaven, has ever attained to a full understanding of the great plan of redemption, or even to a perfect appreciation of the divine purpose in the work for his own time. Men do not fully understand what God would accomplish by the work which He gives them to do; they do not comprehend, in all its bearings, the message which they utter in His name. 70 weeks = 490 years 457 BC - Decree to rebuild Jerusalem (69 weeks or 483 years) the last week or 7 years = Jesus baptized on AD27 -right on time in the middle of the week he is cut down - Jesus crucified AD31 His ministry was for 3 1/2 years the remaining 3 1/2 years the message went out to the gentiles. AD34 Stephen was stoned. They performed their duty in presenting to the Jewish nation the invitation of mercy, and then, at the very time when they expected to see their Lord ascend the throne of David, they beheld Him seized as a malefactor, scourged, derided, and condemned, and lifted up on the cross of Calvary. What despair and anguish wrung the hearts of those disciples during the days while their Lord was sleeping in the tomb! |
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Andalus
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Strawman argument, some Muslims only claim that a prophecy is about him that is found in the Torah. What is certain, is that Moses did not ever pray to Jesus or teach in his name.
Irrelevant. The 10 commandments have nothing to do with the topic. This is simply a "deflection".
Your "argument" makes no sense, you are saying that God gave the 10 commandments, and then everyone wanted to talk to God, but could not, so therefore God made a promise to send a prophet?
1) there already was a prophet in their midst, his name was moses. Who cares if another prophet is sent, they will still not be able to talk to God 2) no where in the Torah does it say that God promised another prophet because they wanted to talk to them. This is called "conjecture", and it is meaningless theological speculation. You are simply superimposing your Christian assumptions onto the Torah without a single, valid reason. You should challenge your preconceptions or they will challenge you!
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
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Andalus
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You need to prove your "charges". You can discuss these types of issues, but you must provide some kind of argument or reasoning. You are simply "asserting" your own personal opinions. 1) You have not provided how you can determine that satan had anything to do with the miracles of any kind of prophet? 2) Can this method you are using determine if Paul was not Satanic? Or if Satan mislead the gentile Christians? (do not give me simplistic missionary responses, you made a claim, now I expect you to back it up)
This is called a "complex" question. It is a fallacy. This means you have buried an unproven assumption in the premise of your question. Prove that a crescent moon negates the claim that Prophet Muhammad (saw) abolished idolatry.
Show how it is false.
about future events. Have you not read the Quran? Are you making sweeping remaks about a faith you have not event studied yet? (your church pastor or polemical sites does not count as studying) |
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
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Israfil
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Buddyman:
2) abolished idolatry - so why does a crescent moon represent Islam? There is currently no flag of Islam. The crescent moon surely does not represent Islam it is a common flag used by some Muslim countries. However, if there were to be a flag of Islam it would be the flag of Saudi Arabia. |
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buddyman
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Andalus, I can see you really haven't read the Old Testament...you're starting to crumble. Not only that you fail to discuss the other prophecies. As for the prophecies Mohammed supposedly prophesied, try reading the Book of Daniel and you will see that they had already been foretold. Mohammed did not bring the same message as Jesus. He also didn't bring the same message as any of the other prophets in the OT. No one will take the time and pour through each verse. You are making "cutting and pasting" as a large part of your discussion. You need to prove what the verses mean. I cut and paste verses from the bible and then expain. If you want to know, you would read them. |
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THE BEAST AND HIS BACKGROUND
A Fearful Warning The most fearful warning of punishment found anywhere in the Bible is contained in Revelation 14:9, 10: �And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.� This description is so alarming and so very unlike all other verses which deal with God�s character that we almost recoil in horror. But it points clearly to a time when God�s mercy will be withheld from those who have persistently rejected the authority of Heaven. It will be an unparalleled performance on the part of God in His relationship to the human family. For almost 6,000 years, His punishing judgments upon the most wicked men have been tempered with mercy. But now the measure of rebellion reaches a point which makes it necessary for God to intervene and to expose the terrible extent of man�s treason against God�s government. Right here we are curious to know more about the sin that provokes God�s strange act of fiery punishment. Notice that the final issue involves a false allegiance to the beast power, so often referred to in Bible prophecy. At last, the world shall stand divided into two great camps: those who worship the true God, and those who worship the beast of Revelation 13. But what issue leads to this massive division of the world�s people? After describing the fate of the false worshipers in Revelation 14:9-11, John has this to say in the very next verse: �Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.� We see here a startling contrast between those who follow the beast and those who follow the Lamb. |
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buddyman
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As you can see the Book of Revelation describes a punishment in the presense of the Lamb. We all know the Lamb if Jesus.
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