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buddyman
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Why would you not use the OT and the NT? That makes no sense. Obviously throughout time God has told us what a true prophet is. Not really that hard, you just have to read the Bible including the OT and you will see. |
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minuteman
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Again you have not discussed the reply by Andalus. I may use the OT and NT and the Quran. There is no harm. I have the Quran and you have the OT and NT. OT and NT will suit you most because you believe in them. Please note that the most important thing for a prophet is to prophesize. If some one does not prophesy then he cannot be a prophet of God. We will again take note of all you items mentioned in your formula of the true prophets. Later. In the meantime, please read carefulkly the reply by Andalus and try to comment because I have given my agreement to those points. |
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buddyman
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I don't know why you care so much about my conversation with Andulus but I believe I have answered his questions. The Bible tells us what a prophet is, in the OT and in the NT. So far the prophets of the Bible are true because their prphecies were fullfilled. |
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minuteman
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Very good. Could you tell me who is a prophet according to your belief?? Is Adam a prophet? Is Noah a prophet? Is Abraham a prophet? Is Moses a prophet?? Is Jonas a prophet? Is John the Baptist a prophet? Please include some more, as much as you know. Thanks. |
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buddyman
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Did I not give you the information already? You ask what is a prophet, I tell you, to read what I orginally posted. But I guess you want actual names..lol! I suggest you read the OT & NT. Remember, there are true prophets of God and False prophets - you should know what the destinction is from my original post.
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Andalus
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You are referring to 9:24: Seventy weeks [of years] have been decreed upon your people and upon the city of your Sanctuary to terminate the transgression and to end sin, and to expiate iniquity, and to bring eternal righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies.
The year 457 as a decree to rebuild We get this date because it's the last date at which the decree was given to rebuild the temple (Artaxerxes gave the last decree and Cyprus made it happen)
I am still puzzled as to how you came to your date. You have a bad habit of just "asserting" your beliefs as if they are "facts" that everyone accepts and knows.
You need to show how you have come to a 457 date? You are "handwaving" your conclusions and I will briefly demonstrate: Nehemiah 2:1-8 suggest that the date is 445 BCE when you take the notion of the month of Nissan into account and adjust it to our calender system.
Ezra suggests that the decree to build the temple, as opposed to the city, was 457 by Artaxerxes 7:11-28
Cyrus made a decree to build the temple, as opposed to the city, approximately 538 BCE (2 chronicles 36).
Buddyman, you always "over simplify" the proof of your claims.
What is 483 years? This is when the prophecy gets to the 69th week. This is from the time the decree was given until the temple was rebuilt.
You still need to validate your "decree date".
You need to show from where in Daniel 9 you deduced this.
How do you arrive at Jesus being crucified at 31 CE? How do you get from 457 BCE to 31 CE? From the time the decree was given in 457 BC to when the temple was built the prophecy states that Messiah the Prince. How do we get to the date 31? We are toldin the Bible who was in power during those times and then we just look at history. For example, we know that Pontius Pilate was a Roman governor during Jesus's time.
This is another "handwaving" job. So ask me how I know your faith is wrong? Well Buddyman, that is easy, we know from history and the bible itself and archeology. Ok?
Of course not. The last passover of Jesus would have place the year at 32 CE. Since the "exact" date is dispited even aomgst your own group, you need to establish the year he was "allegedly" killed.
Please don't forget to read the Book of Daniel. Let me know if you've read any part of it yet and then we can discuss. I want evidence and proof of your claims. |
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
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Andalus
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You gave your own cursory interpretation of the bible's definition. Jews use your OT, and they do not believe that a man must teach in the name of Jesus. Your definition was simply theological rhetoric.
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
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Andalus
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The NT does not contain "explicit" details which allow us to "define" a prophet. It has too many "implicit" verses that only allow you to invent a "Christian Prophet".
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
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