The believer without a book

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   God may be Love, but missionaries often are not. In the past missionaries have not been love, they have been imprisonment, punishment, guilt, torture, intolerance, abuse, disease, pneumonia  and theft.
Do you KNOW how many Hawaiians died because of missionaries? Those prudes turned up and insisted that everyone wear heaps of long clothing, so the natives died of pneumonia because their clothes were always wet due to the fact that they lived in a humid climate.
Kim...

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kim! Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 September 2001 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2390	Post Options Post Reply Quote kim! Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2005 at 11:11pm
	God may be Love, but missionaries often are not. In the past missionaries have not been love, they have been imprisonment, punishment, guilt, torture, intolerance, abuse, disease, pneumonia and theft. Do you KNOW how many Hawaiians died because of missionaries? Those prudes turned up and insisted that everyone wear heaps of long clothing, so the natives died of pneumonia because their clothes were always wet due to the fact that they lived in a humid climate. Kim...

onegamemaybe2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 17 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 16	Post Options Post Reply Quote onegamemaybe2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2005 at 10:05pm
	The spread of christianity is not forced,god wills it to spread swiftly and in remote parts of the country that is his greatest power. to touch the ones who are far away.If it were another way you would see other religions flowing.but some religions demand prayer and tithes and other cult ways were as god promotes faith with free will.They have the opputunity to ignore the religous missionaries but gods strength and grace wills them to believe and if they don't then it is said on judgement day you will be looked at.In Isaiah Chapter52:10 "The lord will lay bare his holy arm in all the nations,and all the ends of the earth will see the salvation of god".If god willed it he would allow the spread of many religons to the small countries cut off from society but he wills it to be christian missions the most becuase it is love and god is love.

kim! Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 September 2001 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2390	Post Options Post Reply Quote kim! Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2005 at 8:44pm
	Sadly, many "heathens" don't have the opportunity to just excuse themselves when they hear stuff that is wrong and/or forced upon them. At this very moment, deep in the Amazon rainforest, there are entire communities that are cut off from the rest of the world not just because of their isolation but because they have been "found" by Christian missionaries who won't allow anyone else to come into the area. Not even anthropologists who were hoping to study the people before the missionaries change their lives forever. Sure, some of these changes might be good (better life expectancy due to fewer diseases, for example), but it should be carried out by groups not forcing anyone to change their religion. grrrr Kim... Edited by kim!

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	"al mu'minu bilaa kitaab"(the believer without a book) A man can be a believer without trusting another man's words, for instance a man in a far jungle somewhere, thinks deeply and realizes that he, and everything else is created and sustained by One with great power, and that The One who creats and sustains everything is the only one who deserves to be worshipped. That he has to be good to others as He is and has been good to him, that he should mind Him more then anything else, that he should do deeds trying to please Him, worship you see? If a christian missionary comes to him and starts telling him about someone dieing on a cross for his sins, and that he should open his heart for the words of God(actually the words this missionary says) so telling him to open his heart to him and his claims, this "heathen" as the missionary would call him, will surely remember that people can be wrong and can lie, and will probebly smile and excuse himself...........Those who call themselves christians probebly did not fully understand this in the past on more then one ocasion, and tried to force people into christianity. The koran tells us there is no compulsion in the religion. a verse from the bible :" it is better to seek refuge in the Lord then to trust man" Psalm 118 verse 8. Hey now to you, how would this believer react to your words when you tell him about your scholars and what they all have to say?