The believer without a book

Salam alakum to Community and Mockba,

We may be "beating a dead horse" (as they say in America) on this one, however, I just want to make one more quick point.

" The koran is guidance and mercy for everyone, He is well aquainted with each and everyone and well aquainted with our hearts, and through His words He guides each however He wishes. He guides whom He wishes and how He wishes. "

The Quran itself testifies to this, and so no Muslim will disagree with you. This caution against interpretation does not apply to PERSONAL guidance. Every person has the right (and duty) to not only recite the Quran, but to conteplate it's meaning. The Quran is like a beautiful flower, and each time a pedal is pulled back, it reveals another, more delicate one whose fragrance is even more sweet. This is not what we are talking about.

The caution here is against trying to create discord by trying to explain the mutashabahaat according to your own understading. What is also implied is that one should not perform one's own tafsir (interpretation) without reliance on those who are "firmly grounded in knowledge".

Of course, each Ayat of Quran has many levels of meaning, however, this is another subject.

The reason why i believe these ahadeeth are true is because they are logical in the sense that muslims are human beings like jews and christians so they are likely to make the same mistakes, as for the command to burn the ahadeeth, this seems only logical to me too, since the koran is appliable through all ages and some ahadeeth are not, and writing them down makes it complicated. In respect to the koran, every generation interperts it's verses differently because the world changes through the ages but His words remain true. For instance this verse:surat Arroom(chapter "the romans")30:41 Mischief has become appearant on the land and in the sea because of that which the hands of men have earned, that He may give them a taste of some of their deeds so that they may return. Someone in the time of the prophet, or even 500 years ago might understand something else from this vers then someone now(pollution of the sea and land because of industry "that which the hands of men have earned"), both are right in their respective interpertation even though their interpertation would be different because of the different things being appearant. To try to constrain the koran only to the interpertation of scholars who use the written ahadeeth for it's interpertation is wrong. Allah created us with different faces, bodies, backgrounds and different view points, The koran is guidance and mercy for everyone, He is well aquainted with each and everyone and well aquainted with our hearts, and through His words He guides each however He wishes. He guides whom He wishes and how He wishes.

To him who this following verse concerns, The Peace is upon you.

Verily you warn him who follows the remembrance and fears The Merciful in the unpresent(the unseen): so give him therefore the good news of what is to come, Forgiveness and a generous reward. [Chapter  36 "ya seen" verse 11]

One More Thing....

Also, in fact, The Bible and The Talmud are collections of hadith (from previous prophets and others) without any method of authenticaion of their contents. As a result, the Jews and Christians are forced to either accept it all, or reject is all and they come up with all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify why it is "Holy" or "Inspired".

In contrast, the whole purpose of the science of Hadith is to classify hadith based on various criteria so that we can determine (with some degree of certainty) how reliable the hadith is. No Muslim (that I know of) has ever claimed that all of the 10's of thousands of hadith are actually from the Prophet. In fact, noone could since many hadith contradict eachother. However, this does not mean that we do not know, with a high degree of certainty, that some of the hadith that are transmitted through many lines of narration are, in fact, true and reliable.

Of course, the Quran is the ultimate firquon (criteria), which has been protected by Allah (s.w.a.) from error or corruption, therefore, if any hadith contradicts the Holy Quran it is rejected by all Muslims.

Salam

MOCKBA wrote: Community, do you know why Iblis fell rejected? Because he did not agree... his arrogance blinded his rationality. Because he quesitoned too much... because enflamed with fire he thought that he had attained the ultimate. Let's not be too eager to re-interpret the Qur'aan and mess around with the methodology of recording of the ahadeeth.

Why Iblis got cast out was because he thought himself better then what Allah created out of clay, so the arrogance was that he rejected the truth when it came to him and thought what he had was better then what was given to Adam.

When the jews say that a great rabbi centuries ago said something and that he was a righteous man and that they follow his words because they have to follow their rabbis teachings because they are the vicegerants of Moses, in other words follow their methodology, we muslims think:"what foolishness, they are misguided  how can they know that that rabbi was a righteous man and how can they know that "he" actually said such, just because they say someone said something and just because they claim he was righteous does not mean that he was." Or when the christians say they do a certain thing because the holy spirit came down on a righteous man some hunderds of years ago and he was made to write it down by the holy spirit, and that they do it because it is a command from God, we think:"what? this is wrong what they do, how can they be so gullible into believing the words of others without question?" So why judge christians and jews this way, but when it comes to muslims we do not, are we not human beings just like the jews and christians are human beings? prone to make mistakes and even lie and deceive? Did not the prophet say that this ummah will make the same mistakes as those before us i.e the jews and christians? We forgot who our prophet was :The Unlettered Prophet, He did not write or read but spoke what was sent down upon him, and the believers who heard it believed in it, and recited it to others, He did not object when the koran was written down, because the koran is a book, but when he heard that his words were written down, he ordered them to be burned. Had those who started writing down his words after his death obeyed him, the situation would have been that the koran would remain as a book and in the mind of thousands later millions, also his words that people kept alive by telling them to others would remain. Some of the prophet's words would be forgotten(by the will of Allah) this would be a natural process since they are not preserved in books, somethings that applied for one period of time would not apply anymore for another period and would gradually disapear and words that were not from the prophet would disapear completely. Lies do not last, EVEN if written down, [See truth is what remains and Allah is The Truth, The Everlasting, The Eternal and falsehood is by nature a vanishing thing, these are teachings from The koran and everyone will come to know it is the truth.]