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Hayfa
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To some extent, you are right. Well it als ohas to do with people COMPLETELY immoral to force women to do this. and they do. It is not just the breakdown of family. There are many girls who are kidnapped and sold into slavery. The international trade is tremendous. And once you are in another country you are stuck. Really. Then there ar et he families who sell their children.. You make it seme like a black and white issue. And it is so complex. Yes a small percentage of people "choose" to do it. And then the vast majority are either sold or stolen. And once in, hard to get out especially in poor countries. As I say, let's shame the men. |
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crasss
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How could the kidnapper get close to the girl and be alone with her without bystanders?
We're talking about girls who were "promised a job" in a foreign country. What father allows his daughter to take that kind of job, while he is supposed to keep an eye on her chastity?
Even that doesn't make sense. They could as well sell her to her future husband, if they are so short of money.
Ha ha ha ha. The vast majority chooses to do it. 1/3 of the schoolgirls in Russia does it on a freelance basis. Why would anybody need to kidnap the remainder, when there are millions of "volunteers"?
Let's blame a culture that turns the prostitutes into enviable heroes or poor victims, instead of facing the truth. In traditional societies, prostitutes have a very low social status, and are looked down upon, for very good reasons, if only, to make the career unattractive to any "aspiring" schoolgirls. Edited by crasss |
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Duende
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"Let's blame a culture that turns the prostitutes into enviable heroes or
poor victims, instead of facing the truth. In traditional societies, prostitutes have a very low social status, and are looked down upon, for very good reasons, if only, to make the career unattractive to any "aspiring" schoolgirls." Okay, heaven forbid we should blame men. I really feel sorry for every woman you meet. You are a very delusional person indeed, and in for a few surprises. "Since time immorial, female sexuality has been very well understood and correctly feared and therefore highly regulated." You are the first person I've ever said this to on this forum, you are completely st**id and obviously have very little experience of women |
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Duende
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�If your story were true, Somalia and Burma should be rife with prostitution, and they aren't, while South Central Los Angeles definitely is So how come you can�t show any data for either of these two countries? Recent data shows the preferred form of physical contact for men towards women in Somalia is rape. No body asked the women. I recently read about a woman who escaped from her village in Somalia when the Janjaweed attacked. She now rises at six every morning to go searching for fire wood. She runs the risk of being seen, and consequently raped, every day. Where are the men who could protect her, or at least go fetch the fire wood? �Given the fact that everybody ancestors were poor, everybody would descend from criminals and prostitutes. Preposterous.� Once again your all or nothing reasoning leaves huge gaps in your understanding. Who is everybody that you assume they were all poor? �Poverty DOES NOT explain crime and prostitution.� I think first you would have to define poor. Are you talking about someone of poor intellect, like yourself, or someone who does not have enough money to buy the basic ingredient of their staple diet (such as corn or wheat). An example: people in the slums of Addis Abbaba often have to get by on 28 US cents a day. Obviously, the staple diet there is not MacDonalds, nevertheless, starvation is the overriding theme of each and every day. When most of the men- fathers, husbands, brothers, nephews are eaten up by typhoid, tuberculosis or AIDS related ailments, how would you expect them to shelter their women from their constant desire to fornicate (everybody knows, starvation is such a turn on.)? |
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Duende
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In the twenty-first century (1980-2001), women are prostitutes for many
different reasons and these roots of prostitution are similar to the reasons women became prostitutes in the Victorian age. Some women move into prostitution due to economic needs like poverty, emotional neediness and susceptibility to pressure from friends; few women listed only one main reason for entering into the profession (Scambler 7). Some prostitutes� explanation for becoming involved in prostitution include �having a history of sexual abuse, having grown up without love from the significant adults in their lives, being enticed by a male of female friend or by peer pressure from a group of friends, and needing money. Those who used drugs prior to their involvement in prostitution activities mention their addiction as a major reason for trading sex for money or drugs.� (Sterk 35) Why has prostitution been allowed to continue? The answer is simple: men. MYTH 1 - Prostitution is a natural expression of sexuality and a necessity for inadequate sexual relationships. This view supports a sexual myth that men have uncontrollable sexual urges that must be fulfilled. Herein lies a justification for prostitution. The juvenile prostitute is dehumanized by the implication that prostitutes serve a useful purpose as an object for sexual gratification. The reality, as described by our sample of former juvenile prostitutes, is that juvenile prostitutes are often appalled at and damaged by the acts demanded of them. Their participation is often a threat to their physical well-being. The act of prostitution is structured by the desires and fantasies of the customer, which are incongruent with the desires and sensitivities expressed by the young women in this sample. MYTH 3 - Juveniles freely choose prostitution. The following self-reported data on the impact of child abuse shows that victims of violence can lose their sense of psychological and physical well-being. Case histories suggest that a number of juveniles engaged in prostitution grew up in abusive and/or neglectful homes. A fragile self- esteem and limited resources lead some young girls to believe that they have no other choice but to enter the world of prostitution. MYTH 4 - Prostitution can be an exciting and glamorous life. Cultural mythology about prostitution is built on misinformation and fantasies of sexuality that are promulgated through movies, television, videotapes, and printed material including pornography. These may entice naive young women into prostitution with false promises of glamour and riches. In reality juvenile prostitutes suffer pain, humiliation, and degradation at the hands of their pimps and customers. They are susceptible to sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancies |
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crasss
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The purpose of the game is to ensure the survival and success of the extended family/community. We do not differentiate between men and women in that respect, because everybody is called to do his or her duty, whatever that takes. For the women of the extended family/community, that means first and foremost, that they shall maintain their chastity. Any internal/external threat to the survival or success of the extended family/community or failure to do one's duty shall be answered with severe retaliation, and all members, men and women, had better know it.
Men and women are the same in that respect, that they will not forget to do what they have to do, if it is obvious what the goal and the rules are, and you enforce that with an iron fist.
Everybody needs to be kept in their place, and women are no exception to that. I am definitely not naive or st.up.id about that. I am likely to be about other things. Point conceded. We must make sure that the highest social status is given to the members who have contributed the most to the success of the community. The sincere appreciation by other members is invariably the highest reward one could receive. It trumps money, material benefits, et cetera. Therefore, we must enforce the proper social ranking. For women, that means that the ones who have dedicated their lives to the community by never straying from the honourable path, are the highest in rank. We must enforce respect for the older, honourable women, if need be at gunpoint, if only, as a matter of equity, and crucially, in order to maintain the social ranking that will ensure attainment of the extended family/community goals. Fornicatresses and prostitutes shall be met with contempt and spit upon, at the very least, to clearly indicate the fact that their behaviour is a threat to the extended family/community, and relegate them to the very bottom of the social ladder, so that it is clear to everyone that such path is detestable. Men shall do their duty and fend off any external interference with the extended family/community, whatever the cost associated, and if need be with machine guns. As I said in an earlier thread, the bureaucratic state has a strong inclination and desire to stick their noses in the extended family/community with the purpose of weakening kinship ties, and lifting essential extended family/community rules. It is therefore the duty of the men, to unite with the other extended families/communities, and destroy the enemy, with disregard for one's own life. The almighty Allah expects every man to do his duty. |
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Duende
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"Fornicatresses and prostitutes shall be met with contempt and spit upon,
at the very least, to clearly indicate the fact that their behaviour is a threat to the extended family/community, and relegate them to the very bottom of the social ladder, so that it is clear to everyone that such path is detestable." Yes, and lets do nothing to make sure men don't seek out women desperately in need of money and promise them a 'good time'. Is a man who uses a prostitute not as detestable as the prostitute? "Men shall do their duty and fend off any external interference with the extended family/community, whatever the cost associated, and if need be with machine guns" You paint a picture of Afghan tribal culture, so well known for its record in life expectancy, high literacy, social harmony and achievement. I am not against cultures based on extended family and tribal ties. I actually live within that very set up. In the society I live in, the very rules which govern these ties and family communities have been extended into general society around us. However, we do not regard a woman with fear and suspicion because we recognise that a woman with self determination is far healthier psychologically than one kept beneath a burkah, hiding in the kitchen, perpetually pregnant and therefore anemic and exhausted, forbiden at gun point from addressing a man from outside the clan. I'm not sure where you think you're going to find this idyllic supposedly Islamic community, but I suggest you go to a few villages in Afghanistan and the tribal belt. There, you may find the toothless mother of twelve (three lost to miscarriage, two died in childbirth, two died of fever before the age of 5) illiterate and ignorant, who will be your ideal of 'honourable woman'. I'm sure she's dying to meet you. |
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crasss
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From the point of view of the extended family, what family members do, is important. As you probably understand, they will take a dim view on male family members who visit prostitutes somewhere far outside the extended family, but I doubt they would lose so much sleep over it.
The Jews also have a tribal culture, and they're not know for being illiterate. Social harmony is best served by not sticking one's nose into other people's family affairs. Record life expectancy, high literacy, social harmony and achievement were brought about by previous generations in the West, which managed to maintain their chastity and keep their families together, and is not the result of the current fornication fest, which is actually squandering the progress made by these previous generations. |
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