This is why Palestine will not succeed

superme wrote: Israfil wrote: crasss wrote: Israfil wrote: I empathize with the Palestinian people as far as their frustration is concerned, but at the same time violence is not the way and if you cannot avoid being violent don't bring that to the children. Children do not need to learn how to be violent. Everybody educates their children like they want. True, Bu that doesn't mean that their education is rational and moral. Frankly, I find the Hamas government a group of men (or just people) mentally defective. It is expedient for those with inferiority complex syndrome to stand to side with the stronger parties - and chastising the weaker party. It gives them a short burst of satisfaction as the victor which they failed to achieve by the meanest available means. It is honourable for us to be slain by the smart foes rather than gaining victory by such kind of assistance.

As in the case of apartheid South Africa our moral compass dictates that we appall the treatment of Palestinians, and we must never give Palestinians a �pass� to behave as they like.  In our faith the end does not justify the means.

crasss wrote: Israfil wrote: If you look around the world most children in good environments do not sing songs of weaponry and hatred. I've actually watched a clip from the Hamas television programme. It is the callers who sing these songs, and not the presentators. You're asking to censure the audience. What point is there in doing that? Israfil wrote: Only Hamas does. I don't know about that. Every country at war publishes propaganda against the enemy, and rallies the population, including the children, to support the war effort. I'd be really interested in hearing a fatwa concerning this issue, and to see a law-based derivation of whether this is moral or immoral.

Obviously your eyes are failing you. Yes the callers were singing the aongs but if you look at the Mickey Mouse imposter and the young girl, their body language obviously show their involvement. The young girl even slightly reprimand one caller for using the word "surrender" in one of his/her songs? I'm asking to censure st**idity, which I'm sure is half the population there.

I can't believe your brain crass. I mean, do you even have an understanding of right and wrong without it being written? What makes any group righteous for teaching their children to watch shows which glorifies hatred through child shows? The whole time the Mickey Mouse is saying "Allah willing, Allah willing" while at the same time saying that they will "take back Palestine." these people are not real muslims in my opinion especially one who advocates violence through children. No wonder the muslims are seen as weak because we expect women and children to fight battles for men. I find it cowardice that Hamas would educate their children in this manner. They are not men in my opinion and if I had the chance, spit on their pitiful flag in front of them. This kind of behavior angers me because I have seen so many kids on the street dead without a chance at life and what Hamas is asking is for these kids to live short lives for what? For some st**id war.

As long as Arabs in that region keep themselves from rebuilding their country and focusing on war the stronger Israel will grow. The Arabs will never get their country back. They might as well get used to being the Israeli armies foot stool.

Why don't you help the Palestinians out instead of messing around on IC

Assalamu Alaikum dudes and dudettes,

Crass, I'll have to side with Israfil here. More importantly, what
justification do you have for condoning the spreading of hate?

Another thing: Yes, though the Qu'ran is a guide and we should follow it,
if we can't tell the difference between right and wrong without having to
dig out Suras or to find Ahadith in absolutely every aspect of life, what
then in God's Gracious name is the point of Him giving us brains?

Believe it or not, Islam does teach to the ideas of logic that Israfil chooses
to follow. I think maybe you weren't getting his point. His point was that
it was so obviously wrong that you don't even need reference to know it
is, not that we should disregard the word of Allah ( SWT).

If we really are wrong, howzabout you try to beat us with your logic? Find
all of us a reference that justifies this and you'll very likely shut us all up.
Show us how Islam justifies teaching kids to kill Jews is right, show us
how this can be encouraged.

If you simply shrug off my request, I'm afraid that you are not worth
respect.

Forgive me if I have assumed unfairly, if I have then please correct any
idiotic foul-ups.