Brother Waleed

Duende wrote: Abu Mujahid, your sentiments are profoundly distasteful, wishing this young person had not committed the bravest and most generous of all actions by saving another person's life. You may be a Muslem, but you are a callous human being. Sister Herjihad, thank you for this very moving thread. I am struck dumb by these events.

Hi duende,

Since u r not muslim person no need to discuss with you this topic. I'm not here to put fake face to appease you. Enough sellout already happened to my islamic community. If I make mistake and you r muslim then bring your dalil from Quran and sunnah. Otherwise, don't insult me cuz I fear neither your Bush nor politcal incorrect games that goes on in this country on the xpense of my religion.

Abu Mujahid

[QUOTE=Duende]Abu Mujahid wrote: "Since u r not muslim person no need to discuss with
you this topic. I'm not here to put fake face to appease you." No need to
discuss what topic? The topic of whether it would have been better for
Brother Waleed to keep still so he could convert himself to a radical form
of militant fundamentalist Islam, rather than save another human being's
life?

Its very hard to discuss self obsorbed people who are not even muslim who want to discuss Islam in their own terms . Orientalist did that before and failed. Listen I don't need to convice you nor to carry with u real discussion. Its obvious u don't know Islam that was revealed to brother Mohamed. I just stated it was not right to this fallen brother not to save his life in this carnage and die in this format. Brother waleed make his call for whatever he believes.

Meanwhile saving human has many formats and pre-requistes and thats why I declined to discuss with you. Btw, this topic need no political terms like fundamentalist islam etc. I really cherish when non muslims call me Fundamentalist cuz it shows their bankrupt nature, wicked shortcoming and vicious intent.

"Otherwise, don't insult me cuz I fear neither your Bush nor politcal
incorrect games that goes on in this country on the xpense of my
religion."

>How did I insult you, by pointing out your inability to accept the teachings
of the Prophet (pbuh) about the sanctity of human life? As in:

[If anyone slays a human being, unless it be (punishment) for murder, or
for spreading mischief on earth, it shall be as though he had slain all
humankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had
saved the lives of all humankind] (Al-Ma�idah 5:32).

Your citation of this verse lacks direction and weight. This verse is/was not talking about for what brother waleed did for personal ijtihad. If you want to know more go Ibnu Kathir and Tabari tafsirs to learn more about its meaning. In any given time, muslim person should not die for Kafir. That is clear cut in the real teaching of islam.

>If you can only engage in debate with someone of the same religious
beliefs, then you shall have a very short and fruitless debate indeed. If you believe your moslem community has 'sold out' then what good shall it do you to only discuss things with people who feel the same way as you?

Leave alone our internal discusion cuz like you will never understand what we're talking about. Besides, I can carry on endless discussion with all faith people let alone atheist but I have no obligation to debate with a person whose first post bad mouth other person just he has righfully different stand on issue.

>You should engage ALL people in discussion in order to practice your
Dawa and not sit stewing in your dissatisfaction with your community and
refusing to discuss with people you judge not to be Moslem.

Just do your homework before you try to alter my pure islam. We know people like you who know little about islam and want to preach Western islamic version on events with free pass. That won't fly in my world. So good luck

 

Abu Mujahid

Abu Mujahid wrote: [QUOTE=Abu Mujahid] Its obvious u don't know Islam that was revealed to brother Mohamed." sorry I mean prophet Mohamed peace be Upon him. Abu Mujahid

Asalaamu alaikum brother:

May I ask you why you draw lines based on where a muslim lives?

I do not understand what you mean by your pure Islam, Do you think you are a better muslim than another because of your global location?

If so, then good for you.

The Prophet, SAW, stated in his last sermon:

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone."

I found this on the website at Islamicity, and I am also reading a book of the Life of the Prophet called "Muhammad the Messenger of Allah by Abdurrahman AL-Sheba of The World Organization for presenting Islam based in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia,

Interesting point: I am reading the same thing in the middle-eastern book that I am reading on this website. And what does Bush have to do with Islam brother.

Not a thing.

Islam is universal.