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Israfil
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This topic posed a good question: Is he regarded as a terrorist or are murderer? The answer is he is both of those things. Part of the definition of 'terrorism' is one who frightens others or one who use systematic means (usually involving forms of violence) of coercion. He is also a murderer under the condition of this term because this individual took the lives of other human beings. The unfortunate part about this situation is that this individual's ethnicity/religion will be used against him in speculation. If he is Muslim, then hate crimes against other Muslims obviously will rise. If he is not, he would be considered a disturbed young man. Of course the media will create the difference in the wording. Regardless of this individual's religious convictions the result is still the same. 33 young kids are dead with no real understanding of why he took the lives of those young people. |
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herjihad
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CAIR-CHICAGO: GUNMAN'S CRYPTIC SCRAWL FEEDS ANTI-MUSLIM RANTS - TOP
Manya Brachear, Chicago Tribune, 4/18/07 http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/religion_theseeker/2007/ 04/gunmans_cryptic.html Why did Cho Seung-Hui, the lone gunman responsible for claiming 32 lives at Virginia Tech University Monday, scrawl 'Ismail Ax' in red ink on his arm? Eric Benderoff touches on some of the theories in today's Chicago Tribune. He explains the most popular speculation sweeping the Internet refers to a story in the Quran, the holy book of Islam, about prophet Ibrahim and his son, Ismail. Upset that people in his hometown still worshiped idols and not Allah, Ismail smashes most of the statues with a sword to honor his father and his faith. A similar story is told in the Bible, but instead of Ismail, it is Abraham's son Isaac. It is treated as a coming of age story about a young man claiming and defending his faith. Some in the Jewish tradition even consider it the biblical inspiration for bar mitzvahs. But as Benderoff points out, Ismail is a literary name employed by James Fenimore Cooper and Herman Melville. And Seung-Hui was an English major. Not to mention Seung-Hui adopted Ismail Ax as his screen name on a video-gaming site. It seems that every time an act of terrorism takes place, the Muslim community must step forward and apologize even though they have no connection. Ahmed Rehab, the executive director of Chicago's Council on American-Islamic Relations, said he's too busy "gawking" at the outrageous theories. "I'll be the first to admit Muslims have a problem with self-victimhood," he said. "But there seems to be one standard for people of Muslim faith and another for everybody else." He notes even the most rampant anti-Muslim Web sites have suggested amid their accusations that the theory is a bit far-fetched. But Rehab wonders if Seung-Hui were Muslim, would anything change? Would the evidence of mental problems and disturbing social interactions go out the window and the blame placed on his Muslim identity? Would it be fair to expect an explanation? Is it fair now to jump to such conclusions? SEE ALSO: DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL SUSPECTED VA TECH SHOOTER MIGHT BE A 'PAKI,' PART OF 'TERRORIST ATTACK' - TOP Media Matters, 4/18/07 http://mediamatters.org/items/200704170006 Responding to the April 16 mass shooting at Virginia Tech, right-wing pundit Debbie Schlussel "speculat[ed]" in an April 16 weblog post that the shooter, who had been identified at that point only as a man of Asian descent, might be a "Paki" Muslim and part of "a coordinated terrorist attack." "Paki" is a disparaging term for a person of Pakistani descent. Schlussel wrote, "The murderer has been identified by law enforcement and media reports as a young Asian male," adding, "The Virginia Tech campus has a very large Muslim community, many of which are from Pakistan." Schlussel continued: "Pakis are considered 'Asian,'" and asked, "Were there two [shooters] and was this a coordinated terrorist attack?" Schlussel asserted that the reason she was "speculating that the 'Asian' gunman is a Pakistani Muslim" was "ecause law enforcement and the media strangely won't tell us more specifically who the gunman is." Schlussel claimed that "[e]ven if it does not turn out that the shooter is Muslim, this is a demonstration to Muslim jihadists all over that it is extremely easy to shoot and kill multiple American college students." In updates to her posting, after more information became known about the shooter, Schlussel first claimed that "[t]he shooter has now been identified as a Chinese national here on a student visa," which she called "[y]et another reason to stop letting in so many foreign students." Schlussel later wrote that the killer was a "South Korean national." The killer was later identified as Cho Seung-Hui, "a South Korean who was a resident alien in the United States." As Media Matters for America noted, in a December 18, 2006, online post headlined "Barack Hussein Obama: Once a Muslim, Always A Muslim," Schlussel argued that because Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) middle name is Hussein, his late, estranged father was of Muslim descent, and he has shown interest in his father's Kenyan heritage, Obama's "loyalties" must be called into question. As Media Matters also noted, on the June 14 edition of MSNBC's Scarborough Country, Schlussel falsely claimed that "there wasn't a peep" from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) when Suha Arafat, wife of former Palestinian National Authority president Yasir Arafat, stated that Israelis "poison Palestinian water and air and cause cancer for them." In fact, according to an October 6, 2000, New York Times article, Clinton disavowed Arafat's remarks after receiving an official translation "hours later." |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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herjihad
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Salaams and Bismillah, Assalamualaikum: The blue material above is from a friend of Brother Walid. Ridwan asked that this material be posted on blogs and sent out to the media, so here it is. Salaams |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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herjihad
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Bismillah and Salaams, Good point, brother. Brother Walid died and a Christian Lebanese woman named Reema Samaha. Allah Yarhamhom. Update: They say he had the words "Ismail Ax" on his arm in red. Some idiots on the web have written up some foolish accusation of a poor guy from Indonesia, who doesn't live in the US and doesn't even look like the murderer Cho. Obviously the guy was disturbed and imbalanced as an individual. He devastated families of all races and religions. His family was Christian, but he was just lost listening to Shaytan. The book "Prairie" by Cooper has a charachter named Ishmael, who is off balance, and being that Cho, the murderer, was an English major, he may have been referencing him.
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Sign*Reader
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Any difference between this guy and a suicide bomber, I say nada
May be the order they die, the bomber goes first while shooter goes last. Under one the definition of the word terrorist Cho Seung-Hui was able to frighten and do much bloodletting as he could plan and cause. It was bad enough terror that made students jump out of windows and had the POTUS & the Gov of state make a detour and show up at the VT convocation breaking their normal business schedule as the rest of the world stayed glued to TV screens. All perpetrators of suicide bombings or mass murdering gunmen have a message for the next of the kins and friends of the victims with a multiplier effect of the their real or perceived sufferings. There is one difference is that suicide bombers have more to do with a broader political spectrum of an ongoing struggle than the gunman. He left a note in his dorm in which he railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. He just took a leaf out of the terrorist's book but then he wasn't from the ME Edited by Sign*Reader |
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Patty
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I don't think he was a terrorist at all. I think he was a very confused, lonely, and lost young man. I feel badly for his family also.
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Patty
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Assalamualikum. I think we need to sympathize with the families of the lost ones and the survivors rather than going into such discussion right now. Since you have already brought the topic, I would say that yes, the media were careful because frankly, if they used the word terrorist, the first thing that would have come to the mind of any audience, including muslims, would be al-qaeda or the likes. It's just fact. People have become islamophobic, there's no denying it. So I think the media didn't want to create any confusion, that's why they called the shooter 'a shooter'. |
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The world is a dangerous place to live in, not because of the bad people, but because of the good people who does not do anything about it.
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Patty
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Here is today's latest information on this unspeakable incident. What a tragedy for the students and their grieving families, and for this lost and troubled young gunman. I'm certain his parents loved him dearly too, and are shocked beyond words at his actions, and at their loss of their son. I am unable to even find words to speak about the horror everyone has gone through, or is going through. |
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