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Nausheen
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Posted: 11 March 2005 at 9:07am |
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Much of the opposition here to Nationalism was based on the negative aspect of it in teh context of Middle Eastern experiance and literal Quranic interpretation. I am not well versed to quote Quran and Hadith. But I believe the real world and results should be taken in account. =========================================== Topic: As I See ... (2 of 2), Read 3 times
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ZamanH
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"PAS has used similar arguments one find in these conference/threads, to justify Islam to over-ride existing political and social structure. While, UMNO has questioned PAS version of Islamic State, criticed it as lacking meat for a comprehensive solution to a multiracial and multireligious developing nation and small quarters viewed PAS as advocating Arabism, then Islam. " It is interesting that Muslims lose their culture and language in no time, when they settle in the West;whereas, when it comes to uniting (or creating an Islamic state) they come up with complex theories about how much they love their language and culture etc. and how difficult it is for them to create an Islamic state because of that. ZamanH. |
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semar
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Why ZamanH so convinced that "west" is bad for Muslims? Do you have any real example? As we know many good Muslims scholar in the west, Dr. Jamal Badawi, Dr. Muzamil Siddiqui, Dr. Ahmad Sakr, Dr. Hasan Hathout they still good even though already years live in the west, even their kids that educated and grows in the west still good Muslims. And many regular muslims and their families still keep the religion tightly. Edited by semar |
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Salam/Peace,
Semar "We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) "1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air" |
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sarahrosecurry
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Zaman was not not referring to the scholarly, I don't believe. He may have been referring to those who come here to be educated. They find themselves away from their families and culture. They are exposed quickly to the evils of the West and embrace it because the evils can be invigorating. It is easier to be like those around you. Thus many of the Muslims that are coming over are changing. I have several friends that fit his statement exactly. They have noticably changed since their move to West. Yet they will say how their language and culture is the best of anyone. The West can be a very dangerous place for those ill-prepared to handle it.
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Angel
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Perhaps it is also that they are free to do some of the things that were oppressed in their homeland, some can't even practice their religion properly and now they can being in the west. I do understand what ZamanH is talking about, those who don't keep up with their language and culture can lose it. Yes I know, some will get caught up in the evils of the west ;-) Edited by Angel |
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semar
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The scholars that I mentioned, like you said, they came to the west to study, Dr. Sakr got phd in microbiology, Hasan Hathout in Medicine, so the west is not that bad.
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Salam/Peace,
Semar "We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) "1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air" |
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ZamanH
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Atleast in that post, my point was not whether West is bad for Muslims or not. My point was, when it comes to adopting Western culture, Muslims in general, do it more readily than when it is required for them to follow Islam strictly. Also, I don't consider myself to be absoulutely perfect Muslim. But, I don't say what I should do is wrong, simply, because i can't do it. ZamanH Edited by ZamanH |
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MOCKBA
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It is interesting how people admit that they are not "well versed in the Quran and Sunnah" yet at the same time rush to define the concept of Islamic State. "As I see, there is nothing wrong with the way Nationalism is practised in ...obviously, and without a doubt when you are Malay. Nationalism, for sure, protects interests of one particular group of people but it does not guarantee that it will not diminish the rights of others. Reflecting on the success of Malaysia in the political and economic scene one might as well attribute it to the royal Malay families whose status and endless rights resulting from it should never ever be questioned by any Malaysian. Are these the right explanations of country's success... or a make-belief? Reaping the harvest of his earlier views, former PM Tun Mahathir did come up with "The Malay Dilemma" trying to explaining the stagnant development process of Malays in the shadow of their special rights... "the son of soil"... "Malay Civilisation has already absorded Islam to its culture and it can be conveniently claimed that Malay=ISlam and Islam=MAlay" This is the very point that clearly explains why many Malays find non-Malay Muslims exotic to say the least. If you happen to be Muhammad of non-Asian complexion sipping teh tarik beneath the tallest "Muslims of non Malays are not discriminated against as the racial defination is relax on non Malay Muslim for a son-of-soil status. Discrimination does not have to be in the form of a "white policemen using excessive force against a non-white citizen". One may enquire whether "I see Nationalism as a necessary tool and justify for the development of the ummah, within the context of Malay Nationalism... Malay ummah... within the context of Malaysia. With much respect to Malaysians and Malays, the country with true peace and harmony of various ethnic groups, with Muslims that have shown much patience and tolerance, I only tried to make a point that nationalism is not behind the achieved success at all (contrary to Malay nationalist's views above) but it might be well behind potential disaster in the near future. May Allaah [The Great, The Glorious] make us devoted Muslims embracing each other, respecting each other, loving each other and defending each other in the context of the world. Perhaps one day Palestinians will cease to fight for And Allah knoweth best. MOCKBA
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