Who Can Prove, Hadith is Prophet�s?

Sawat: Allah is kind with you; so you reffered this verse: Say with Allah: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

Follow only His word

nu001 wrote: The prophet Muhammed himself when he died had no idea about any Hadiths.

What do you base this on ? Where is your evidence ?

nu001 wrote: It was forbidden to write anything else the Prophet said other than the words of Quran. Actually, these hadith books recorded more than one hadiths in which the Prophet ordered the true believers not to write ANYTHING but the Quran.

Actually, some say he told the Sahabah to write and others say he told them not to write and the reason for that is that the Prophet (pbuh) did not want his Sahabah to confuse the Hadith with the Qur'an and the ones whom he allowed to write his Hadith may have been people whom the Prophet (pbuh) trusted more (they may have had a better memory) or they may have been people who did not write many Ayahs so they would not confuse them together.

But in any case a lot of Sahabah memorised the Hadith which they narrated to their students and it was during the time of Omar ibn Abdul-Aziz that the students of the Sahabah started to write down the Hadith as it was no longer a danger that they would be confused with the Qur'an.

This was not 200, but 100 years after the time of prophet Mohammad (pbuh).

But later some scholars started to collect these narrations from different people and put them all into a book, and so books were written that had tens of thousands of ahaadith (many of which were unauthentic).

So then came Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim and others who tried to seperate the authentic Hadith from the unauthentic by studying their chains of narration.

nu001 wrote: To understand the reason the hadiths we have today that were attributed to our beloved prophet Muhammed have been so vastly corrupted, I will have to remind you with the "Chinese Whispers". Please try passing 3 lines to 5 people one by one; it will get distorted in 10 mins time.

The sayings of the Prophet (pbuh) were important and dear to many of the believers. Although some did forget or confuse them, those with better faith and better memory did not.

nu001 wrote: Many of the narrators of the hadith may have been honest people, but how accurate can a story be narrated across over 210 years and by 6 to 10 different men in a chain????

The early Hadith books (many of which still exist) have only 3 or 4 people in their chains while books like Bukhari have 4 or 5 (and most of Bukhari's ahadith can be found in earlier books with shorter chains).

When you have only around 4 trustworthy people in the chain it is highly likely that the Hadith is accurate.

nu001 wrote: We should not be surprised to see God clearly telling us in the Quran to follow NO OTHER HADITH but the Quran. "Which Hadith, other than this (Quran), do they uphold?" 77:50 "These are Allah's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than Allah and His revelations do they believe?" 45:6

Youre using a very illogical arguement here because the Arabic word HADITH means SAYING (intresting how you translated the whole Ayah but not this word!).

So by your logic I should not believe YOUR SAYINGS either. So we should all ignore your post and all other posts and Only read the Qur'an and we should never listen to anyone or read any books other than the Qur'an! When you mistranslate verses and take them out of context you are infact one of those mentioned in Surah aal-Umran ayah 7:

He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

nu001 wrote: Bible, Tawrah everything contains some truth; Like hadith might also have something right; so why not follow bible & tawrah as well?

Because the Hadith were narrated by the same Muslims who compiled the Qur'an and because the Hadith have chains of narration which allows us to distinguish between the authentic and unauthentic.

nu001 wrote: After knowing these, isn't it a grave sin to say that Allah didnt tell everything in Quran and we need Human fabrications like Hadith?

Where does the Qur'an say that EVERYTHING is in it ? You mean we dont need books on Biology, Maths, Geography, ... and that instead we should only read the Qur'an ?

nu001 wrote: "Say, "If the ocean were ink for the words of my Lord, the ocean would run out, before the words of my Lord run out, even if we double the ink supply."18:109

You have completely misunderstood this Ayah. What it means is that the words of Allah would not run out, that Allah's words are not limited to the 6236 verses of the Qur'an.

If Allah wanted he could have sent down a book which had billions of verses, but then that would have been difficult for us to memorise it, or even compile or read it all. He could have told us every single thing in the whole universe but then that would have made life pointless because the purpose of life is that it is a test.