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amah 
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Bismillahirrahmanirraheem I will be editing this post to add more ....insha allah. 1] Why did allah reveal this ayah? Surah al haaqqa �43.This is the Revelation sent down from the Lord of the Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists). 44.And if he (Muhammad SAW) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allah), 45.We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), 46.And then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta), 47.And none of you could withhold Us from (punishing) him.�
2] What does hikmah mean here? Why does Allah mention in many places, quran and hikmah? " He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from among themselves, reciting to them His Verses, purifying them (from the filth of disbelief and polytheism), and teaching them the Book (this Quran, Islamic laws and Islamic jurisprudence) and Al-hikmah (As-Sunnah: legal ways, orders, acts of worship, etc. of Prophet Muhammad SAW). And verily, they had been before in mainfest error; "
And remember (O you the members of the Prophets family, the Graces of your Lord), that which is recited in your houses of the Verses of Allah and Al-hikmah (i.e. Prophets Sunnah legal ways, etc. so give your thanks to Allah and glorify His Praises for this Quran and the Sunnah). Verily, Allah is Ever Most Courteous, WellAcquainted with all things.
"Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own (and indeed Allah answered their invocation by sending Muhammad Peace be upon him ), who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Quran) and Al-hikmah (full knowledge of the Islamic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood, etc.), and sanctify them. Verily! You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."
Similarly (to complete My Blessings on you) We have sent among you a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) of your own, reciting to you Our Verses (the Quran) and sanctifying you, and teaching you the Book (the Quran) and the hikmah (i.e. Sunnah, Islamic laws and Fiqh - jurisprudence), and teaching you that which you used not to know.
And treat not the Verses (Laws) of Allah as a jest, but remember Allahs Favours on you (i.e. Islam), and that which He has sent down to you of the Book (i.e. the Quran) and Al-hikmah (the Prophets Sunnah - legal ways - Islamic jurisprudence, etc.) whereby He instructs you. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is All-Aware of everything.
Indeed Allah conferred a great favour on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from among themselves, reciting unto them His Verses (the Quran), and purifying them (from sins by their following him), and instructing them (in) the Book (the Quran) and Alhikmah (the wisdom and the Sunnah of the Prophet SAW (i.e. his legal ways, statements, acts of worship, etc.)), while before that they had been in manifest error.
3]Why is it specified- follow the prophet? Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): "If you (really) love allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quran and the Sunnah), allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
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amah
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Bismillahirrahmanirraheem I want you to answer me please wherever I have put a question for you�. There are many things you have stated in your posts which you wouldn�t have if you had true knowledge and understanding of the Quran and science of hadith. your post in black: For me Quran alone is enough and only guidance; that's what Quran testifies. No, Allah says in the quran many times to follow the messenger. Meanwhile if you can please tell me what is the proof of these Hadith that these are prophet's words? So many proofs have been given, more will come insha allah... Why should I turn to history for Ibadah while Allah has made it clear in Quran? I never asked you to take rulings of ibadah from history, you are putting words in my mouth. You are the one who is telling us about the �history� of how uthman and ali were killed, how muslims are divided etc, how do you know all this? You believe the people in this regard ? but you refuse to believe in a single hadith? If I tell you uthman was not murdered (just suppose) , can you prove it to me otherwise? and how? I asked you about history because I want to show you how conveniently you talk about history, and in the next line you say you dont believe the scholars......why can that (the "history" you believe in ) not be distorted? There may be some hadith which has elements of truth; but there are lies/false things mixed with it; how can that be a source of mandatory law? Prove that it is mixed with lies. Br rami asked you this many times. You are accusing sahabas and the later generations of lying. I am sure that the prophet didnt violet Quran and didnt make any laws beside the Quran. If each and everything about life was mentioned in the quran, imagine how long it would have been? Allah definitely forbids any other teaching other than Quran; And Quran is the only source of law for muslims. Mohammad didnt preach anything other than Quran. You are highly mistaken. If that were the case, then tell me quran mentions about chopping off the thief�s hand. From where do you chop off, the whole arm, till elbow or from the wrist? Will you chop off the hand of a small child who steals? Will you chop off the hands of a hungry person who stole food? Which hand will you chop off, right? left? or both? 24:13 Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they produce not witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah 24:14 Were it not for the grace and mercy of Allah on you, in this world and the Hereafter, a grievous penalty would have seized you in that ye rushed glibly into this affair. 24:15 When you received it with your tongues and spoke with your mouths what you had no knowledge of, and you deemed it an easy matter while with Allah it was grievous.24:16 And why did ye not, when ye heard it, say? - "It is not right of us to speak of this: Glory to Allah! this is a most serious slander!" Now; Is there any sense for going to history/tafsir to know who was that man/woman to complain and when and where it happened? What additional benefit u get in that? Isn�t Quran clear on the law? Just complicating and running the risk of believing in lies; The names of the places, time or story; any where there may be mistake in a description after/over 200 years; while it has no benefit in understanding the Law.
Believing lies? What nonsense! Yes, quran is sent for all of us and is applicable till the day of judgement. But for who was it revealed initially? Do you know what difference this ayah made to the life of aisha? 04.048 Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. 004.049 Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who claim sanctity for themselves? Nay-but Allah Doth sanctify whom He pleaseth. But never will they fail to receive justice in the least little thing. 004.050 Behold! How they invent a lie against Allah! but that by If you have read it, iam sure that you understand the meaning of your verses. As the prophet was physically present amongst the people so it is mentioned him and Allah. How do you get him as your judge once he is dead? If you are trying to reach to a dead soul, you are trying to make him divine not human thus partnering with Allah. We are not reaching to a dead soul but refering to his sunnah. Where do you get these ideas about us? Obey the messenger indicates message; If it meant mohammad, then don't you think that the number of marriage he had; becomes obligatory for all of us? After all 'follow' is a command. isnt it? I am surprised at your ignorance. Or maybe not (after reading all this).Some things were allowed only for the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. Regarding marriage, it is clear in the quran that a man cannot marry more than 4 times, THIS you know, don�t you? so how can it be obligatory here to follow this particular sunnah? your example is very poor. Everything is there perfectly in Quran, if you ever wanted to know. I will insha Allah provide the complete, Salat related information/instruction from the Quran. why is it taking you time to tell us that? I definitely believe in the words of prophet; What? Aren�t you contradicting yourself? he brought us the Quran from Allah. That is proven to be perfectly from Allah; and to be divine. Prove it, you have still not proven it to us, you are only stating �your belief� , �your understanding�. Repeating something hundred times does not make it the truth. It's the prophet who told us that it is from Allah. Did the prophet tell you this himself? How can you make such a statement? Where did the prophet say this??????????? Aren�t you contradicting yourself? I am only not believing the hadith writers and scholars who wrote manythings out of rivalry between them and got us divided in the process. How can you say this? Your proof? They have not proven that these were prophets words, many of which are contradictory to Quran. Which hadith are contradictory ? you are making general (false)statements without proof. Who told you about there efforts? The person who has done it, he himself had to tell what all they have done to prove their worth. What ever hard work they have done; they could neither reach the prophet nor the sahabas and their 8-10 generations; to verify, whom the people were referring in hadith. Could they? Isnt it like Chinese whispers? Do you want to tell me that Hadith words are perfect? It is insulting to call them Chinese whispers! This is ridiculous!
"They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords; instead of God....." 9:31 Finally, do you think it is only aimed at the christians, jews and all those who came before prophet Muhammad? Is it not applicable for the Muslims as well? Again.... Your assumption. I would feel lucky if I could follow him in totality Please see my earlier posts for refference from Quran; that even prophet was not authorised to make laws, it is only Allah who makes law. You will be lucky if you insha allah understand your error, rather sin. you have purely misunderstood those verses. If I follow Quran, I am also following the prophet and of course Allah. Isn't it? How? by rejecting his sunnah? There by Islam was finally divided into sects. Both parties have differences in Tafsirs and Hadith. Someone must have lied? Who was that? Probably we know each others answer. Can such things be a source of laws for Ibadah & Faith? Who is this �both?� what parties? Be specific. Prophet predicted that islam will be divided by people into 73 sects and only one will remain on the true path. But you don�t know this because you do not read hadith. You said this to br rami: I knew you will not read my posts, because I reffered Quran. So? You mean we don�t refer to the quran? I have read your post. I think Quran is not some thing you take guidance from, just preserve it nicely. You are accusing him of something against which you have no knowledge or proof . But if you can accuse the sahabas�.. I told in my previous posts to give me one verse, which is not possible to understand from Quran. No matter how many verses we provide, you will give your own (mis)interpretation. So whats the point? Now place the scholars/idols who put false words in the mouth of beloved prophet. You are slandering not only the companions of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam but also other people who dedicated their lives for islam. Allah has mentioned in the quran that he is pleased with the sahabas. Can you mention that verse? I have Quoted Hadith Also if you like which says that it was forbidden to writedown anything else of prophet other than Quran, That is incorrect. Hadith were written down during the prophets sallallahu alaihi wasallam�s time as well , infact he had scribes to write them down. If you see the collection process of Quran during the time of Omar; it clearly says that eveything else other than quran was burnt and destroyed Hadith were not burnt. and your evidence/proof for this statement? If some one memorises wrong thing, how can it become true? If you say the wrong things, it cannot be true. Some muslims tend to believe that those christians were bad people so changed it and our muslims are good people and they can't make mistake. And you think allah would allow such major mistakes so that millions of muslims will be mislead? Allah would allow your own "salaah" in his house (baitullah)? Tell me how do you perform hajj? do you pray in jama'ah? How do you calculate your zakah, it is not mentioned in the quran how to. Come on, Read history. who killed Usman? Who fought with Ali? Who betrayed whom? Again�.You believe history? Amazing! Why muslims are divided? Satan, forgot about him?
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fatima
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Bismillah irrahman irrahim Assalamu alaykum Brother there were two reasons for me to not participate in this thread at start, then on you invitation i did. First reason was your way of describing the scholars for whom majority of past scholars had showed nothing but respect and secondly because i thought brother rami has more knoweldge and better way of explaining things than me. Brother now i wished i hadn't, because the worst thing you can do to a believer is compare his coviction of faith to a an idol worshiper but then i thought if you wont spare a well respected scholar, i am no one. So I am sorry but i wont be participating in this thread because i tried to explain things for sake of my Lord and if personal feelings come to it that is wrong. But i would tell you one thing very sincerely, one thing that i can tell reading only few posts from you is that you need to rid yourself of assumptions. You assumed that i have not read Holy Quran with just meanings, thats how i started my journey brother just Holy Quran, you assume that the verse 17:79 is for general public, it is specific for Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wassalam telling him that he needs to pray tahajjud. And the verses i said in Surah muzammil are the ones telling muslims that tahajjud is fard on them because thats the way it was before the night of isra. And the verse you keep mentioning of reading Holy Quran in a voice that is neither too low nor too high is early makkan time. Muslims use to pray their salah in hiding so it was revealed that pray in a way that your companions can hear but not the troublemaker non-believers. But then again you dont believe in knowing the background of verses. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says in Holy Quran that He is the one who guides people. So i pray that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala guide us all to his right path. wassalam |
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Say: (O Muhammad) If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, MercifuL
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rami
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
I am not so expert but will insha-Allah explain it from Quran. Any person can come up with an explanation for any verse in the Quran, the idea is to understand what Allah and his prophet intended it to mean not what you or i intend it to mean. Otherwise you would be suggesting that your explanation is absolutely in accordance with what allah intends when the reaity is you are 1400 years apart from the revelation. Just becouse you have an idea doesnt mean you are correct. You have fear of trusting ahadith and dont want to commit sin, well it is an even bigger sin to explain the Quran in a way that Allah and his prophet did not intend. Any person can read the Quran and come up with his own explanation for each verse Al Qaeda do it all the time, but understanding it the way Allah and his prophet intended is extremely hard. You want to prove you explanation is correct without anything but your own reasoning you may as well claim you are being Guided by Allah in explaining each verse becouse you have no external way of verifying this is what rasul allah taught the verse to mean. By clear proofs and scriptures, and We have sent down on you (O Prophet) the Reminder, that you can explain to humankind what is sent down for them and in order that they may reflect. It was his job to explain what it meant, how do you know what he meant 1400 years later. You were reffering some confirmed sayings of prophet, who told you it's confirm? Do you know how the science of hadith verification works, simple question, can you please answer it otherwise this hole discussion is pointless. Only Quran, you can be sure are Allah's words, prophet said, and scientifically proven to be Allah's words. Do you have any prove that those were prophets word? what is your scientific proof the Quran was preseved? Now place the scholars/idols who put false words in the mouth of beloved prophet. Scientifically prove this acusation, otherwise this is just slander. Prove that Imam Bukhari made up one hadith or any person he narated from fabricated a single hadith. If you cant SPECIFICALY prove this stay silent. Do you know the difference between a general and specific statment? If you are now going to say the Quran is against ahadith and this is all the proof i need to prove he is wrong, then you know nothing about science and have no right to speak about any scholar or scientific method as you have just proven you ignorance. What do you think Allah has revealed? I am sure Quran is the only revealation. What i said is based on understanding more than one verse in the Quran at the same time, Allah commands else where to follow the prophet and accept his judgment on matters, how can you follow the orders of rasul allah if allah did not preserve them as he did the Quran otherwise these verses would be null and void for later generations. Allah does not command people to do things they can not do. Who said it is sahih? Scholars; neither Quran, nor Prophet, neither sahabas, some people reffered sahabas after a few hundred years. Please read my previous Quotes from Quran. Rasul allah taught ibn Umar, Ibn Umar taught Nafi' b. Sarjis who taught Imam Malik who in turn recorded it in His muwatta. here is the Muwatta,
Are you accusing rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] of not teaching Ibn Umar correctly, are you accusing Ibn Umar a sahabi of not teaching Nafi b. Sarjis a tabii properly, are you accusing Imam Malik of lying. Why dont you adress this specifically! Dear Brother, i am not a new comer in Islam and have enough resources to know what is the science? (It is deceving people, i believe you know the definition of science). The most authentic book of sahih Bukhari (As per you 'There are declared GALAT hadith also') mentons that how much corruption and conflicts were there for making false hadiths. Please read the science again. Only blind faith on Mr. Bukhari and likes, better have blind faith on Allahs words. Really, in your earlier post you claim you found no science in the sahih of Imam Bukhari and now you are claiming you know it? Who declared that the ahadith in sahih Bukhari are wrong prove it! more general statements and no actual evidence. He said corruption was present not that every muslim was liar and corrupt which is what you are saying. |
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rami
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http://www.muhajabah.com/sunna-yes.htm#intro Allah SWT says repeatedly in the Quran to obey both Him and the Messenger. One example is Surah an-Nisa ayah 59.
He says that the Prophet (sAas) has been sent to explain the Quran, not just to deliver it (Surah an-Nahl ayah 44).
He says that people do not have faith if they do not take the Prophet (sAas) as the judge of their disputes (Surah an-Nisa ayah 65).
He says that when He and the Prophet (sAas) have decided a matter, it is not for any believing man or woman to do anything but obey (Surah al-Ahzab ayah 36).
He says that what the Messenger gives, people should take, and what he prohibits, they should abstain from (Surah al-Hashr ayah 7).
How do we determine what the Prophet (sAas) has ordered, in order to obey it? How do we find out what he judged in disputes so that we can abide by it? How do we know what he has decided on matters, so that we can submit to it? How do we discover what he has given, so that we can take it, or what he has prohibited, so we can abstain from it? The answer to all these questions is very simple: we look to the SUNNA. If you deny the validity of the Sunna then you may end up disobeying what the Prophet (sAas) has commanded, turning away from what he has judged, rejecting what he has decided, ignoring what he has given, and doing what he has prohibited. And if you do these acts of disobedience, turning-away, rejecting, ignoring, and doing-the-prohibited then YOU HAVE DISOBEYED ALLAH. It's that simple. It is incumbent upon every Muslim to obey both the Quran and the Sunna. Read the verses I have cited for yourself. What do you think they mean?
The Mistake of Those Who Confuse the Sunna and the Hadiths Very often, those who proclaim that they follow the Quran only, ignore the Sunna and concentrate on the hadiths. They assume that if they can refute or disprove the hadiths, they have proved their own position. Their mistake is to assume that the Sunna and the hadiths are the same thing. This is incorrect. No scholar of Islam has ever claimed that the sources of Shari'a are "the Quran and the hadiths". Rather, the correct statement is that the sources of Shari'a are the Quran and the SUNNA. The hadiths are a textual source for determining what the Sunna is. But they are not by themselves the Sunna. The scholars of Islam have developed a sophisticated methodology for collecting the hadiths and for determining from them what the Sunna is. Collecting the hadiths: Briefly, the great collectors of hadiths such as Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim followed a methodology that they collected everything that there was on a subject, and they marked down how authentic it was. Rather than discarding the material they felt was not wholly authentic, so that it became lost to history, they included it. This means that other scholars can examine the evidence for themselves, and make their own determination of what is authentic. The above description of the methodology of the hadith collectors should make it abundantly clear why there are hadiths that appear to be contradictory, hadiths with variant wordings, and all the other problems with hadiths that the rejectors point to. Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim, and the other great hadith collectors, were not incompetent. Rather, they saw their job to be preserving the evidence so that each later scholar could make his own determination. Simply put, the rejectors are attempting to take the honesty of Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, and the others and to twist it to prove their own point. There is no reason for any Muslim to be confused or feel doubt because of variant hadiths in the collections. It is simply a matter of learning about the methodologies and procedures of the scholars. Here are some links that provide information about the methodology of the hadith scholars: Modern Historical Methodology Versus Hadith Methodology - This essay discusses the methodology of the hadith collectors in quite a bit of detail and compares it to modern historiographical methods An Introduction to the Science of Hadith - This essay discusses in detail the methodology for classifying and rejecting hadiths, and the terminology used Issues Concerning Hadith - This page contains several essays discussing specific concerns that have been raised about the hadiths Determining the Sunna: The science of fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) is the science of deriving rulings from the sources of Shari'a. Part of fiqh is determining from the hadiths what the Sunna is. This too is a sophisticated science. First, all the hadiths on a given subject should be gathered. Next, the scholar studies their authenticity to determine which give a correct report of what the Prophet (sAas) said, did, or allowed. He may consider such factors as what the practice of the Muslims in the matter has been, if the absence of reports to the contrary actually indicates a consensus of the Sahaba (rAa) behind the existing reports, even if only a few people have transmitted them, and other issues. It is only after this analysis that the scholar has made his determination of what the Sunna is. He does not simply pick and choose hadiths at random, or take their text out of context. The reason he may only quote one or two is that he has determined that it or they express most clearly what the Sunna is. Here are some links that provide information about the science of fiqh: Sources of Islamic Law - This essay discusses the many sources of Shari'a beyond just the literal text of a hadith, and also how different schools of fiqh developed with slightly different methodologies Usul al-Fiqh: Source Methodology In Islamic Law - This essay also discusses the history of fiqh, and different methodologies that are used Inshallah, the information provided at the above links should be more than enough to reassure any Muslim that the collection of hadiths and the derivation of rulings from them is anything but haphazard. The claims made by the hadith rejectors are based on ignorance. If they had studied Islamic science, they would see how ridiculous what they say is. ----------------------------------------------
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nu001
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Posted: 29 March 2007 at 5:51pm |
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"Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah"
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nu001
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Sister I have Quoted Quran which does not permit any Hadith; I have Quoted Hadith Also if you like which says that it was forbidden to writedown anything else of prophet other than Quran, If you see the collection process of Quran during the time of Omar; it clearly says that eveything else other than quran was burnt and destroyed. Now if you tell me some sahaba has disobeyed it, I don't agree with you and undermine that sahaba. I hope that's enough and I don't want to respond to your sarcasms. All Allah's revelations before Quran have been distorted by people, most recently the christianity. Which was meant to be preserved and was written with a much less time gap than Hadith and got distorted. Hadith; which was not preserved at all you want to say is intact. Even Bukhari does not agree with you. Your human brain theory does not suit. If some one memorises wrong thing, how can it become true? Did the human not have brains before Islam? Some muslims tend to believe that those christians were bad people so changed it and our muslims are good people and they can't make mistake. Come on, Read history. who killed Usman? Who fought with Ali? Who betrayed whom? Why muslims are divided? Were they not two of the 4 closest companions? Even good people will change words while passing verbally, that's natural and human. You are bringing out another Sahaba whose collection came out 100 years later. Another dead man exploited by the Hadith preachers only to make blind people believe. Hard to believe that a Sahaba violated prophet's instruction and Osman's instruction. I have put many other questions and refferences in my posts from the begining; please answer some of those hard questions or prove my refferences are wrong with the ref from Quran, if you can. I will be happy to listen to it. "Always in search of truth and more truth and more .... untill death" Edited by nu001 |
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nu001
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[QUOTE=rami] Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem I knew you will not read my posts, because I reffered Quran. I have read your post. I think Quran is not some thing you take guidance from, just preserve it nicely. You are guided by scholars. See, allah mentioned it in Quran, about those who follow/make the scholars their god. Verse is there in my previous posts. Read it please. If only knowing arabic would ensure that you will understand Quran; there would not be over 10 milion arabic speaking christians & Jews in the middle east. It is Allah who shows the straight path; some are screened by allah from the truth. Allah said in Quran. I just wonder, if the people would remember Allah as much as they remember and respect/believe the scholars/ idols, probably Allah would be happy to show that Quran is the only Guidance, Mohammad is Allah's slave and messenger. Now place the scholars/idols who put false words in the mouth of beloved prophet. [We have revealed the Reminder and We have taken upon ourselves the duty of preserving it intact] (Al-Hijr 15:9). YUSUFALI: We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption) 15:9. What do you think Allah has revealed? I am sure Quran is the only revealation. So Allah preserves Quran and it is beyond doubt mentioned in the same verse. We all know hadith is Sahih and Galat(You may use different term, but what ever is not sahih is definitely Galat). Who said it is sahih? Scholars; neither Quran, nor Prophet, neither sahabas, some people reffered sahabas after a few hundred years. Please read my previous Quotes from Quran. Here you go wrong; Quran is not revealed by Rasul Allah, it is by Allah, it is reaveled to or through Rasul Allah. He is the messenger; Allah did not allow messengers to say or do anything else other than permitted by Quran. I am sure that He did follow the Quran perfectly. So if you follow the Quran you are automatically following the prophet. How can you follow someone physically if he is dead? Follow the book he followed. That's it. Please see my Quotes from Quran in previous posts. May allah bless you with truth. And please don't get annoyed with my post, because I am not telling you to listen to my words, I am inviting you to Allah's words only. Accept or reject is your matter. But please if you preach something different than Quran, please prove it from Quran not by a refference of scholars, or of oxford/cambridge school. Allah's words are far far bigger, just and greater than anyone you quote. If you can please give me a different meaning of the verses I have Quoted in my previous posts, in line with your Tafsir and Hadith. If you cant make it different, it should mean as it is. We must follow it absolutely, for Allah does not authorize or need partnership with anyone Salam Edited by nu001 |
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