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Andalus
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 4:19pm |
rami wrote:
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
It is a valid ruling in Islam to perform female circumcision as rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] described.
"Cut off only the foreskin (outer fold of skin over the clitoris; the prepuce) but do not cut off deeply (i.e. the clitoris itself), for this is brighter for the face (of the girl) and more favorable with the husband."
Mutilation occurs when the clitoris is cut or removed, this is the distinction between Islamic circumcision and FGM which westerners fail to see.
Jamal Badawi is welcome to prove this hadith is fabricated but until that occurs the above hadith remains the words of Rasul allah thus no person can ever claim for this to be Haram as aproval is clear even in the translation.
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Assalam Aleikum.
I guess Br Jamal Badawi is now delving into the science of hadith. Good luck to him! It is sad to see the hadiths distorted by Muslims and non-Muslims.
Nice clarification of the issue and I think the Maliki madhab considers it "recommended".
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rami
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 2:52pm |
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
My posts is clear and the hadith is clear.
the sunnah of rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] is a source of law in islam.
without intending insult how long have you been a muslim as i find my self pointing out an obvious matter in our dean.
There is a ruling in the shafii madhab that says it is wajib, there is another ruling in the shafii madhhab that states it is not wajib but merely recommended, Hanafi's also hold it is not wajib.
no one can ever claim it is Haram becouse rasul allah gave instruction on this act specifically. It is a matter of personal choice for those who dont adhere to the wajib ruling of the shafii madhhab.
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Sign*Reader
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 10:19pm |
rami wrote:
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
It is a valid ruling in Islam to perform female circumcision as rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] described.
"Cut off only the foreskin (outer fold of skin over the clitoris; the
prepuce) but do not cut off deeply (i.e. the clitoris itself), for this
is brighter for the face (of the girl) and more favorable with the
husband."
Mutilation occurs when the clitoris is cut or removed, this is the distinction between Islamic circumcision and FGM which westerners fail to see.
Jamal Badawi is welcome to prove this hadith is fabricated but until that occurs the above hadith remains the words of Rasul allah thus no person can ever claim for this to be Haram as aproval is clear even in the translation.
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Rami ASA Let's get to the point;There is no may be in this information age. What is the injunction here; should it be done (yes/No) Is it part of the faith and if yes the supporting evidence? Do you have any daughters of your own? are you natural born Australian? and where do you stand on this issue? Thanks & salaam
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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rami
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Posted: 11 March 2007 at 7:59pm |
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
It is a valid ruling in Islam to perform female circumcision as rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] described.
"Cut off only the foreskin (outer fold of skin over the clitoris; the
prepuce) but do not cut off deeply (i.e. the clitoris itself), for this
is brighter for the face (of the girl) and more favorable with the
husband."
Mutilation occurs when the clitoris is cut or removed, this is the distinction between Islamic circumcision and FGM which westerners fail to see.
Jamal Badawi is welcome to prove this hadith is fabricated but until that occurs the above hadith remains the words of Rasul allah thus no person can ever claim for this to be Haram as aproval is clear even in the translation.
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Suleyman
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Posted: 11 March 2007 at 9:46am |
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rami
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Posted: 11 March 2007 at 12:02am |
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
Please note that some people are very strongly of the opinion that it is halal.
Thats becouse it is halal, rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] specifically spoke about it. islamic female circumcision is not mutilation only western fanatical idiots who confuse actual mutilation with islamic circumcision say such garbage, i suggest you look up what it means islamicaly before stating such things. If you have not learnt about this topic from Islamic sources dont comment on the Islamic aspects of the discussion.
Finaly i suggest you also do a search on this forum becouse it has been extensively discussed.
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Showkat
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Posted: 09 March 2007 at 2:45pm |
Salaams All
The topic of female circumcision has always been controversial and commonly accepted as being a cultural practice and considered haram as it mutilates the woman.
A discussion is taking place based on Islamic evidences on this very important topic which u can view and participate in. Please note that some people are very strongly of the opinion that it is halal. See the link below inshAllah
http://www.7cgen.com/index.php?showtopic=8745&hl=
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www.Muslimways.com, check out the poetry section
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