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UmmAminata
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Salaam O Alaikum Rookiyah If I offended you I apologize. My comments were not targeted at you only trying to express my own person feelings, opinions, and beliefs. Hopefully this time I'll do a better job. I also wanted to point out one disadvantage of technology is that it eliminates a great degree of humanity associated with communication such as the ability to convery deep feelings, and it's very easy to misunderstand and offend each other. I myself have and still struggle with this issue regarding our cultures surrender to technology. And because we aren't in front of each other it's really easy to say things we know we wouldn't dare say in public out of value for our own personal dignity and respect. I tried to be as professional as possible. Concerning the issue of birth control Islamically: * It's always best to consult your local Imam or Shayak versus an online community. m5.5 The husband is permitted to practice coitus interrupts in love making with his wife though it is better not to page 526 Reliance Of The Traveller: A Classical Manual of Islamic Sacred Law by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri and Nuh Ha Mim Keller. w.46.1 (Yusuf Waradawu:) Islam has encouraged prolific reproduction and blessed children, male and female. But birth control has been made a dispensation for the Muslim when rational motives and real necessities call for it. The prevalent means people resorted to for preventing or diminishing births in the time of the Prophet sws was coitus interruptus, placing the sperm outside the womb when ejaculation was felt imminent, and the prophetic Companions did this during the time of the prophethoood and divine inspiriation. Bukhari and Muslim relate that Jabir, " We used to practice coitus interruptus in the time of the Messenger of Allah sws while the Koran was being revealed." And in Sahih Muslim: " We used to practice cotius interruptus in the time of the Messenger of Allah sws." Word of this reach him and he did not prohibit it. A man came to the prophet sws and said " O Messenger of Allah, I have a bond woman with whom practice coitus interruptus. I do not want her to get pregnant, but I want what men want. The Jews say that cotius interruptus is a lesser form of killing one's children. " The Prophet swws said: " The Jews have lied. If Allah wanted to create it, you would not be able to prevent it." (al-Halal wal al-haram fi al-Islam (y1110), 191-192 The Offensiveness of Contraception in Shafi'i School w.46.2 (Ghazali:) It is of the etiquette of intercourse not practice coitus interrupts, there being disagreement among scholars as tothe permissiblity or offensive of doing so, though the correct position in our opinion is that it permissible. As for it's offensiveness, offensive is a term applied to things whose prohibition is closer to the unlawful, things whose prohibition is closer to the permissible, and things merely involving something of the non meritorious; and it ( coitus interruptus) is offensive in this third sense, the non performance of a meritorious act, just as it said, for example, that " it is offensivce for some one in a mosque to sit out invoking Allah (dhikr) or praying." or " it's ofensive for some one living Mecca not to peform the hajj every year." The meaning of this offensiveness is merely that it is forgoing what is fitter and more praiseworthy, as we established earlier in explaining the virture of having achild ( Ihya'ulum al-din (y39), 2.47). page 950 Reliance Of The Traveller: A Classical Manual of Islamic Sacred Law by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri and Nuh Ha Mim Keller. Please visit sunnipath.org. They have qualified scholars ( Ijaza and all) that specialize in the fiqh of all four schools and may have an archive on the issue. continued.. |
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Angel
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If you took note of what Israfil mentioned, you would have noted that he said "if you took the position" he didn't say that you actually did or say.
Contraceptives are a matter of the individual/s in my opinion. If you cannot take care of a baby/child and/or not ready to then you should perhaps use contraceptives, this is where i really disagree with religion/s, it should be allowed. Why should you abstain from making love for fear of having unwanted pregnancies??, humans are in a unique way as making love is not always pertain to populate the species even if our natural instincts at times are. If islam is like Catholicism then all forms other than natural method, is forbidded. Edited by Angel |
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rookaiya
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i do have 4 kids..i never said i didnt secondly...please show me where i said that just becos i feel its wrong to use contraceptives,,,that others need to follow my opinion me in this all i was doing was trying to get different points of view and trying to ascertain what informs the persons decision. also i wanted to know whats the islamic position regarding all this. as muslims, our actions are governd by the Quran and Sunnah so we cant say we choose something, which is clearly frobidden in the Quran. im not saying that contraceptives are forbidden..cos i dont know if we have that freedom to choose...or whether this matter is regulated by the Quran and sunnah...hence the topic. |
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Israfil
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Rookaiya my apologies for shortening your name....Although this is the internet and by that reason alone I don't have to do what you say, but because I don't want to disrespect you I'll spell it out. The reason I shortened it because I don't have time scrolling up every time I refer to you. I shortened it. Only you took offensive to that. Regardless what Rook means does not mean that I refer to you in that light....lighten up! Second I may have misread one of your post because I swear you mentioned that you have four kids. I may have scrolled in between your post and another's but I thought I read a post where you mentioned to have kids...my apologies if I'm wrong. Third....Like me saying Rook "cos" is a lazy way of saying because. Also if you know the rules of grammar and slang cause can be interchangable with because as well. Anyway to comment on the topic I think women have the right to do what they want. Just because you (if you hold this position) believe that we shouldn't use contraceptives doesn't mean others shouldn't. Its a life choice made by individuals. Edited by Israfil |
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rookaiya
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israfil, did i at any point in time say that u had the right to refer to me as Rook. do u know what rook means. why would u choose to shorten my name this way. and secondly, what does my age have to do with anything here. why would i claim to be a mother of 4. "cos" for your info is a short form of because and not cause instead of commenting on the topic, u would rather choose to talk about me............n then u call me a teenage..whose acting juvenile now? |
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Israfil
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I read a couple of Rook's post where she claims to be a mother of four...I guess she is older than I thought....
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Angel
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And a good one to.
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UmmAminata
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hmmm.. I take it from your post that you don't believe in using birth control? Am I right sister? I guess my feeling on that matter is that according to the Shafi'i school of thought it is considered offensive to use birth control but it isn't harram. Reference "Reliance Of The Traveller." Sheik Nuh Ha Mim Keller. I'd also like to say to that I believe each woman should make that choice for her self and I believe that when we have a one size fits all doctrine it can become cultish and dangerous. The Prophet sws { Reference Imam Bukhari) said " Differences are a mercy." I believe that in today's world women are sick, and opressed by our own voilition. Man is really no longer responsible. I believe that three things keep us opressed. One: our own low self-esteem, low self-confidence, and lack of self awareness or education. Two: engaging in child bearing with out solid early childhood development education, solid support systems for labor and emotional assistance, and solid "planning for a family" information. Not be to confused with family planning commonly known as birth control. Our inability to plan for each child, and have a solid parenting plan harms our own survival because it comes back to bite us in the but, and the first manifestation of our errors is through our marriages or relationships with men. Three: Not having the skills and abilities to balance ourselves with out going to extremes and not holding the men in our lives accountable. In America I sincerely believe we are a people of extremes. We are often polarized and isolated within our own peer groups. I also believe that women overcompensate for their educational/economic achievments by settling for men and marriages they know aren't good for them. So, I don't believe we are playing Allah, how could we ever? We are the creation, and Allah the creator? We are nothing, and Allah is the reality? We are slaves and only Allah has the the real ever lasting power. My opinion only. Miriam
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