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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

as God will destroy those mulsim countries who come against Israel

DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL
The Assyrians conquered and destroyed the northern kingdom of Israel in about 722 BC (about 2700 years ago). The Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem in 586 BC (about 2600 years ago). Jerusalem and the Temple were later rebuilt but were destroyed again, this time by the Romans 70 AD. In 135 AD, the Romans again attacked and destroyed Jerusalem.


Israel was last destroyed by the romans, god did not destroy them at the time they became Christians.

Modern day Israel was established by European Jews who are not descendants of the twelve tribes of Judah, so modern Israel can never claim to be biblical Israel. 

They attacked the Muslims, does your bible mention anything about that.

What occurred to the descendants of Judah well after being persecuted and driven out by Christians they lived under Islamic rule peacefully for more than a thousand years and later actively opposed the creation of the abomination that is modern Israel because as any educated jew would know there is a prophecy in the Torah which states that the recreation of a jewish state ie modern Israel will ultimately lead to the downfall of the jewish community.


Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Originally posted by pauline35 pauline35 wrote:

From Amah: Where did you you get this from??

I got the news from my country and the pastor who is my colleague confided to me that he receives special guest (almost every week) who requested to be baptised in his church. These 2% Muslims have started to embrace other religion since 9/11. One of my colleague(Zakri) that I know have embraced Christian because of believing that Islam teaches terrorism as what Osama did. What he didn't understand is that Osama is cultist. Zakri is attending the Christian church every sunday morning but still carries his muslim name. Another saddest thing is that the most latest trend is about using Islam as the foundation to swindle money from those gullible student who wants to learn about Islam. My point is Muslims around the world, need to be alert about cultist who misinterprets the teaching of true Islam.

Hi Pauline,

Thanks for your post and I am sorry for the delay in replying.

Peace.

Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)
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Mr. Doug, this is what I mean, very evangelist.

Belief comes from truthfulness. The evidence of corruption is apparent and yet you are protecting it blindly. A true religion does not force one to hold strong belief in it for a true religion speaks only the truth and the logic.

I am extremely amazed with your only logic to worded such phrase : If a person is not interested in bible prophecy of what God says about the future and believes that the bible has been corrupted, - then why would He reveal any understanding of the prophecies to that person?   

If GOD tells about the future, then there will be no future for the future is being known by human. GOD only reminds human of the RULES OF CONSEQUENCES and THROUGH HIS COMMANDMENTS, GOD PROTECTS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS.

GOD could not possibly ignoring a human who is using his/her intelligence to learn about the truth for GOD'S NATURE IS LOVING AND CARING FOR HIS CREATION. It is certainly a false doctrine if FORCE is the command to make human obey. False doctrine only created by another alien forces to distract human from applying their logic. And IF human stop thinking, that is when the Satan starts possessing with delusions.

This is a very dangerous path when a human is commanded to obey blindly. This is hence a form of unwelcome force and unfair to any person who's seaching for the truth for GOD TELLS THE TRUTH AND GOD GIVES HUMAN AN INTELLIGENCE TO FIND THE TRUTH. ONLY SATAN GIVES HUMAN A PATH TO DELUSIONS AND SATAN CORRUPTS HUMAN MIND TO STAY IN THE DARK AWAY FROM THE TRUTH.

A true religion does not condone THE COMMAND BY FORCE. Every commandments in that TRUE RELIGIONS bear a consequences for the goodness NOT THREATS OR REVELATIONS FROM UNKNOWN SOURCES.

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Originally posted by pauline35 pauline35 wrote:

Mr. Doug L, you are very convince about your prediction and I could see that you are acting like a prophet to tell about the future.

Having read your reply, I am now truly believe your prediction is merely for your own accord.

As you did mention that you have been studying the bible for 35 years, then you must have known there's some corrupted part(unless you are denying) where human had actually altered to suit individual's interpretation. In this case, it is called "the Bible has been tampered".

Any Bible that is tampered could not be proven as truly WORD OF GOD or prophecy.   There is one book THE BIBLE CODE, it prophesised a plague hit Israel in year 2006. Until todate, it never came true, does it?

Don't get any wrong ideas that I am defending Islam nor am I a muslim. I am a neutral party who lives a truthful life. I practice moderation and I certainly do not believe in any prophesy deriving from a corrupted bible. However, I do believe there is GOD and SATAN.

Open your eyes and find the truth.


Hi pauline,

I am definitely no prophet.   But understanding the prophecies that are already written in the bible is a gift from God and the bible says that the prophecies have been sealed from understanding until the end times - which we are living in that timeframe.

If a person is not interested in bible prophecy of what God says about the future and believes that the bible has been corrupted, - then why would He reveal any understanding of the prophecies to that person?  


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Hi Doug,

Prophecy was not really the subject or issue that God was interested in.

The message was consistent throughout the history of man and it was,"Thou shall only worship thy God the Lord Almighty." Moses said it, Jesus said it and Muhammad said the same.

The prophecy, that Jesus would return in the lifetime of his disciples, failed to come true. He did not! Shall we say that prophecy failed and it was wrong?

Great importance has been given to prophecies but the simple message was later distorted when the doctrine of trinity was pushed forward. That was the time, when Muhammad was sent to assert the perpetual message.

 

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Mr. Doug quote : Now, one could say Ezekiel 38 is a conspiriacy of the Jews to counter Islam - but the same writings are found in the Greek Septuagent - also called the "seventy", LXX, which dates back to Alexander the Great's day.   That preceeded Islam hundreds of years.   Since Islam was not known when the Greek Septuagent was translated by the Jews for the Greeks, no conspiriacy theory of the Jews having corrupted that part of the bible is possible.

You must remember human are resourceful and intelligent. As to whether Ezekiel 38 is a conspiracy of Jews to counter Islam, it is irrelevant as it is not proving that the Bible is authentic and has never been tampered by human.

As human race has superb intelligence, human could also copy ancient findings to complement and support their findings.

Just my humble opinions.


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Mr. Doug L, you are very convince about your prediction and I could see that you are acting like a prophet to tell about the future.

Having read your reply, I am now truly believe your prediction is merely for your own accord.

As you did mention that you have been studying the bible for 35 years, then you must have known there's some corrupted part(unless you are denying) where human had actually altered to suit individual's interpretation. In this case, it is called "the Bible has been tampered".

Any Bible that is tampered could not be proven as truly WORD OF GOD or prophecy.   There is one book THE BIBLE CODE, it prophesised a plague hit Israel in year 2006. Until todate, it never came true, does it?

Don't get any wrong ideas that I am defending Islam nor am I a muslim. I am a neutral party who lives a truthful life. I practice moderation and I certainly do not believe in any prophesy deriving from a corrupted bible. However, I do believe there is GOD and SATAN.

Open your eyes and find the truth.
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Originally posted by pauline35 pauline35 wrote:

Mr. Douggg predicted :
Jesus will return to this earth prior to May 15, 2018. I get that by believing what Jesus said about the generation that sees the budding of the fig tree parable, which occured in May 15, 1948, which also marks the generation of Gog/Magog, and adding 70 years-the maximum length of a generation. 1948+70= 2018. No later than May 15, 2018, all of the prophecies will be fulfilled regarding the end-times and the return of Jesus.

Mr. Douggg, with all due respect, Forgive me that I�ll have to be straight forward on this one. Now there are facts that we cannot deny that Jews are the genius which means 9 out of 10 would outsmart others. The second fact is that US is power crazy and yet is control by the Jews. Their mission is to conquer the world�s economic growth. By doing so, they allowed 9/11 to have taken place so that they have the best reason to control the oil country on the pretext of war on terrorism.

It was Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan who mastered 9/11 and how is that ended up in war with Iraq? It certainly does not make any sense as it is like SHE who�d murdered but HE was convicted and sentenced to death.

Your prediction about the second coming of Jesus could not be accurate for the bible itself is corrupted since the death of Jesus. To begin with, let�s go back to the bible, the MalachI 2, 3:10. It says BRING ALL THE TITHES INTO THE STOREHOUSE, THAT THERE MAY BE FOOD IN �MY� HOUSE AND TRY �ME� NOW IN THIS,� says the Lord of hosts, �If I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it�.

In Chinese translated Bible, it is not BRING ALL THE TITHES INTO THE STOREHOUSE, it is said ONE TENTH, in Chinese it is SHI FEN ZHI YI meaning 10 percent to be candid. Also in Chinese translated Bible, it is MALACHI chapter 3 verses 8 where the English assumed to be authentic is chapter 3 verses 10????

How could it be an authentic bible when human has the access to add on and translate based on individual�s assumption and interpretation? Even the verses in Chinese and English Bible were not in line with each other.

What is this mean? It means the Bible is totally corrupted. Another preaching from the Chinese Christian is that the 10 percent is GOD�s money so the Christian must �give� (not donate) the 10 percent to the Church (Storehouse) to pay pastor wages for his time spent in sharing gospel (technically convincing others� to accept Christ the savior), to pay churches� electricity and water bills etc also accumulating the GOD�s money for rainy days and natural disaster�s needs (good deeds).

My understanding of GOD�s money is that if GOD gave me money to spend then I called it GOD�s money. Similarly as when my father gave me some money, I said it to my friend that it was my father�s money and the remaining unspent money, I�ll have to give back to my father. THAT IS CALLED MY FATHER�S MONEY.

Now when it comes to �ME� sweating blood to earn �MY� money, also so-called MY hard-earned money, how could it be called GOD�S money? I thought the meaning of GOD�s money is that GOD works hard and sweat blood to earn money for me. But here the situation is the other way round, I work hard and sweat blood to earn some money and the Bible says, my hard earned money belongs to GOD??? The rhetoric I received from this Chinese Christian is that BUT IT IS WRITTEN IN BIBLE THAT IT IS GOD�s MONEY!!! How pathetic?

Is there any senses? If not, then it is called human judgment or human self-interpretation. If it is human self-interpretation, then bible is evidently authored by human not GOD. If Bible is authored by human, then it is called corrupted for it is certainly incoherent.

To conclude, since the Bible is evidently corrupted, your predicted is in its inaccuracy state.

The Jews are smart, so is the US. In reality, US is in no way to be convinced to worship a human who would declare himself as GOD. This is absolutely just a fairy tale story if one would�ve imagined it will take place. Fairy tale story defines an individual�s dream. Just my opinion.   


Do you think that the Jews of Judaism corrupted the Christian New Testament?     Because the basis for my 2018 date theory is based up on the parable of the fig tree found in Matthew 24 of the New Testament for establishing the base date of May 15, 1948.

The fig tree is representative in other places in the old testament, as well as in the new testament, as being Israel.   For the past 2000 years the state of Israel has been in dormancy - like a tree in winter.   Jesus said when we see the fig tree start to bloom, then we know that his return is near.   In that same Matthew 24, Jesus said the generation that is alive at time will not pass away until all of the prophecies are complete.

Mohammed, the founder of Islam, may say that the New Testament and the Old Testament have been corrupted by the Jews and Christians... but Ezekiel 38 seems to validate both the Jews and the Christians - while invalidating Islam - as God will destroy those mulsim countries who come against Israel.   They are all muslim, with the exception of Russia who is in bed the Islamic nations of the middle east as their arms supplier and nuclear materials supplier.

  According to what I believe, no later than 15 May 2011, the Ezekiel 38 Gog/Magog invasion and defeat will occure.   Persia, or modern day Iran, a very faithful muslim country is going to be destroyed by God.   All you have to do, pauline, is to listen to the gentleman who is the head of Iran to know that Gog/Magog is very close.

If Islam were the religion of God, it claims to be, then why does God  in Ezekiel 38-39 say that He is going to destroy all of those muslim countries and protect Israel.

Now, one could say Ezekiel 38 is a conspiriacy of the Jews to counter Islam - but the same writings are found in the Greek Septuagent - also called the "seventy", LXX, which dates back to Alexander the Great's day.   That preceeded Islam hundreds of years.   Since Islam was not known when the Greek Septuagent was translated by the Jews for the Greeks, no conspiriacy theory of the Jews having corrupted that part of the bible is possible.

Peace,

Doug L.


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