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    Posted: 13 April 2008 at 11:19pm
Slmz,
 
Reciting Quraan Al Kareem, adhering to the Sunnah, performing the five daily Salaat & observing the remaining four pillars of Islaam is the essence of Din. Everything else (except for making constant Zikr - rememberence of Allaah (SWT)) is devotional and optional, but should be ecouraged if it is good and assists one to be a better Muslim of higher spiritual stature in the Dunya and in the Aghira - Insha-Allaah, Ameen.
 
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thanks for the clarificiation Honeto.
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the truth of sufism never comes out from your mouth ( by your  limitation  knowledge on it ) , but the truth of sufism come out from itself , sufism ..
 
let it be ..
 
belive it or not .. even you was a muslim ( believers) ..
 
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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Honeto, I think you should learn more about sufism, sure some may have taken aspects of it to be a sect, but the heart of islam is sufism without it would be just an empty shell devoid of spirituality.

Hi Angel,

I think you misunderstood me,  the thing I have said (in the post on the top of this page) was that Sufism actually brought Islam to the sub-continent and is the devotional or spiritual part of Islam not a sect of Islam, otherwise we (those from the sub-continent) would have been Sufis. When I say that Sufism has evloved out of main stream Islam and now may be a sect is because if any one leave or superceed a prescribed practice of Islam with another one, he/she leaves  mainstream Islam. What I am refering to is if any of the basic practices such as (Salath) is replaced with devotion even at times, for example, it is deviating from the basic teachings thus makes it a sect. Nothing should superceed what is prescribed by the Quran and the prophet (pbuh).

No doubt that devotion and spirituality are important parts of our religion.

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Slmz,

Well said Angel !

I am a Muslim from South Africa and in my country the 'traditional Islaam' that was followed since the first Muslim Pir (Sheikh) Yusuf From Java (Malaysia) - who was a political prisoner - established Islaam here. He was a 'Sufi' and the Malaysian practices like Meelad un Nabi, Urs etc. are still followed to this day by hundreds of thousands of Cape Malays. It was only in the second half of the last century that some adherents of the Deobandi school (came from India) calling themselves the Tablighi Jamaat and had a difference of opinion to the traditional way Islaam was followed calling some of our practices as Bidat (innovation.) We say that innovation can be good (if it serves our Din and Master Allaah (SWT).)We still follow the Tariqas Riffai, Naqshbandiyya and Qadirriya here. We have had many debates with the Deobandi's/Tablighi's regarding these issues. For us making communal Zikr etc. is a very powerful way/path to attain closeness/connectiveness to our Creator and Sustainor Allaah (SWT.) 

We do not call ourselves 'Sufi's' but Muslims as we follow the Quraan al Kareem and Sunnah of our beloved Nabi Muhammad Mustapha (SAW.)

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Honeto, I think you should learn more about sufism, sure some may have taken aspects of it to be a sect, but the heart of islam is sufism without it would be just an empty shell devoid of spirituality.
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 Also as per saying of the holy prophet, "If any one pronounces kalimah (that there is only One God i.e. Allah and Muhammad is his messenger) and he prays facing to Qiblah at Makkah, he eats from our food, He/She is a Muslim. There is guarantee of safety from Allah and his prophet for that person and O, you muslim people, do not break that guarantee, ever."

 That is a hadith I have quoted. It tells more accurately, about who is a Muslim.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

My cousin is a Sufi- She never describes herself as a Sufi Muslim. 

LOL!!  I have heard from different Muslims both ways that she is Muslim and that she is not Muslim!!

Hi believer,

if she (your cousin) or anyone who believes in One God, believes in God's messangers and books, follows God commands and and applies them as should be, and believes in the Judgement day, is a Muslim according to my understanding.

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