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Quote ABDUL-RAHMAN Replybullet Topic: Illusion of the crucifixion in the Bible.
    Posted: 17 November 2006 at 8:55pm
Taken from: Survival of the Crucifixion - Traditions of Jesus within Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism & Paganism by James W. Deardorff, December 1993, updated in October 2006


Abdul-Rahman Karim Omar S. (”Kai”, Finland), 2003-2004. On this (Islamic) theory Jesus was understood to be dead for all but God as he said that he will be "gone", so "dead" for disciples f.ex., and so came true prophecy about his "death" (human-view), and also words of Holy Qur´an about him not dying into crucifixion by Jews (what Allah knows). Possible in both ways, as that (Quran 4:157) “…but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them...” meant possibly that they (Romans/Jews) did not KILL him by crucifixion, as crucifixion is supposed to end up to death (and so there actually were no crucifixion at all in fact), as it was God that took life of Jesus before broking of feet-bones that caused death of crucified, or possible also in a way that God took “soul” of Jesus out before/from cross leaving someone else into body of Jesus (“resembling” or “similarity” to Jesus, “so it was made to appear to them”).

“Kai” claims that Matt.7:7-11, Matt.26:39 and Luke11:9-13 give evidence that neither Jesus/God wanted/allowed crucifixion to take place, neither Deut.13:5/21:22-23+Hosea 6:6+Matt.9:13+Matt.12:7 connected. And he also claims that parallel referring to Jonah in the belly of the whale for 3 days as alive, and Jesus connecting himself into it, is meaning similarity to disappearing of Jesus for 3 days (alive too meanwhile as Jonah), and that it is “only sign given to this generation” by Jesus to confirm message of Quran.

He also proposed that John 20:14-16 and Luke 24:30-31 could refer to new body he received, as he was not recognized by disciplines, and that “doubtful Thomas” were not said to have touched his wounds, only asking to show them (and then collapsed because there were none). Jesus appearing in flesh that could be touched is final proof in Luke 20:36-37+24:36-43 about his “death”. So resurrection could even be in 2nd coming.

Original name unknown, theory of A.K.O.S. “Kai” came to be known by his writing “Jesus prophesied Islam”, found on (2005, 2006-> ?) first page of Google with same search (or with search leaving word “Islam” out). His home page is in (+ /bible).
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Quote BMZ Replybullet Posted: 18 November 2006 at 9:04pm

Hi Abdul Rahman,


Have you carefully read the statement about Jonah being alive in the belly of the whale? Jonah was not dead in the belly.

Jesus was thus hidden alive. Otherwise the above statement has no value.

What is your opinion on this?

BR & Salaam Alaikum


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