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Originally posted by air_one air_one wrote:

Originally posted by StephenC StephenC wrote:

One of my main points is that it really doesn't matter - it is the worship of God that is important not the status of the various messengers!



How?

Will God really leave it up to his creation to decide how He will be worshipped?

Will God accept His creations' logical thinking on what is good (allowed) and what is evil (sins)?

God has allowed numerous false prophets in the past and present.

 
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Originally posted by ysimjee ysimjee wrote:

A few good statements made.

But to the ones that don�t know, the bible has been chance to sooth the lifestyle of the Christians in this time n era. If they read the original old testament they would find that pork n drinking of wine is also not permitted.

As for the Jewish Torah, they refused to accept that Muhammad (saw) was the last prophet of Allah just because he was n Arab and not from them.

But the Quran does not state that Muhammand was the last prophet.  I believe that is something Muhammad claimed in his last sermon.  Previously did not he claim (in the QURAN) that he was merely an apostle?

 
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Originally posted by StephenC StephenC wrote:

But the Quran does not state that Muhammand was the last prophet.  I believe that is something Muhammad claimed in his last sermon.  Previously did not he claim (in the QURAN) that he was merely an apostle?

Stephen, please go to the thread: Basic Islamic Questions, in islam for nonmuslims, where I have posted answered, yes the qu'ran does state so and it is Allah that has said.  Please continue about the qu'ran there or the other thread you made about it  



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Originally posted by ysimjee ysimjee wrote:


But to the ones that don�t know, the bible has been chance to sooth the lifestyle of the Christians in this time n era. If they read the original old testament they would find that pork n drinking of wine is also not permitted.


I don't think that drinking of wine was forbidden in the Old Testament.
 
The taboo on eating pork was abandoned because of the numerous non-Jews entering Christianity and as a protest against religion becoming too ritualistic. Jesus said that it is not the eating of pork that makes people impure but the evil thinking that comes out of the mind.

Quote As for the Jewish Torah, they refused to accept that Muhammad (saw) was the last prophet of Allah just because he was n Arab and not from them


Ridiculous. It was because they had a complete religion and the Quran did not bring anything new to them.

Would you accept that Baha'is invite you to acknowledge that their religion is the continuation and final revelation of God to replace Islam?
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Cyril wrote:

I don't think that drinking of wine was forbidden in the Old Testament.

The taboo on eating pork was abandoned because of the numerous non-Jews entering Christianity and as a protest against religion becoming too ritualistic. Jesus said that it is not the eating of pork that makes people impure but the evil thinking that comes out of the mind. ( end of quote)

Jesus( sallahu alayhe wassalam) contradicts this hear........


Matthew 5:17-20

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It wasn't Jesus(sallahu alayhe wassalam) who relaxed the laws but he people. When he said "it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man but what comes out of it" a person could hardly construe that as a command from him to repeal the law against eating pork.

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Originally posted by Redneck Redneck wrote:

Jesus( sallahu alayhe wassalam) contradicts this hear........


Matthew 5:17-20

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

This is one of the contradictions of Christianity. Let's find a Christian to explain it.

Quote It wasn't Jesus(sallahu alayhe wassalam) who relaxed the laws but the people. When he said "it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man but what comes out of it" a person could hardly construe that as a command from him to repeal the law against eating pork.

  For me it is a good start for repealing.
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There are no passages in the bible where wine is forbidden.  And, if you check out Mark 7:19, you will read:

Thus he (Jesus) declared all foods clean.

So obviously, Christians are not required to follow Old Testament dietary laws.
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Find the origenal text of the Bible and Torah.

 
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