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    Posted: 22 December 2006 at 6:01am

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Originally posted by Arab Arab wrote:

elias is the same word as elijah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah 

(read the name section)

interesting.

I've always known both to be different, pronoucing them are completely different to.

hmmmm, they do have the same meaning.

anyway, i like both names

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arab Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2006 at 2:59am

Btw most prophets names in true didnt have a "J". It was translated that way. For example:

Jesus's true name was Eesa. The E is made into a J.

Josephs real names was Yoosif. The Y is made into a J.

John the Baptists real name was: Yahya.

Moses: Moosa

Aron: Haroon

Jona: Yoonis

just thought it was interesting.

 

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elias is the same word as elijah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah 

(read the name section)

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Originally posted by Arab Arab wrote:

 yes we should. Jesus said that Elias was John.

".......ELIAS TRULY SHALL FIRST COME, AND RESTORE ALL THINGS. BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT ELIAS IS COME ALREADY, AND THEY KNEW HIM NOT,...THEN THE DISCIPLES UNDERSTOOD THAT HE SPAKE UNTO THEM OF JOHN THE BAPTIST."(Matthew 17:11-13).

"AND THEY ASKED HIM, AND SAID UNTO HIM, WHEY BAPTIZEST THOU THEN, IF THOU BE
a) NOT THAT CHRIST,
b) NOR ELIAS,
c) NEITHER THAT PROPHET?"

(John 1:25)

 

Elias?

what happened to Elijah

Are they not two different names? although most likely come from the same name base.

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Originally posted by Sarita Sarita wrote:

Originally posted by Arab Arab wrote:

It is interesting to note that:


"19 Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, �Who are you?�
20 He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, �I am not the Christ.�
21 And they asked him, �What then? Are you Elijah?�
He said, �I am not.�
�Are you the Prophet?�
And he answered, �No.�
22 Then they said to him, �Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?� "

This shows that the Jews were looking for THREE different prophecies to come true not just two. The Christ, Jesus, Elijah, and the Prophet. My Christian brothers only see two questions posed here, not three. Now we ask, who is "the Prophet"? Who else claimed prophecy and had to do with Jesus and John other than Mohammed?

 

However, I figured they were just asking him the same question in three different ways.

That's what I see, asking the same question 3 different ways.

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 yes we should. Jesus said that Elias was John.

".......ELIAS TRULY SHALL FIRST COME, AND RESTORE ALL THINGS. BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT ELIAS IS COME ALREADY, AND THEY KNEW HIM NOT,...THEN THE DISCIPLES UNDERSTOOD THAT HE SPAKE UNTO THEM OF JOHN THE BAPTIST."(Matthew 17:11-13).

"AND THEY ASKED HIM, AND SAID UNTO HIM, WHEY BAPTIZEST THOU THEN, IF THOU BE
a) NOT THAT CHRIST,
b) NOR ELIAS,
c) NEITHER THAT PROPHET?"

(John 1:25)

It must be noted that at the time of prophet Mohammed, before he migrated to Medinah, when he was at Mecca, he met a couple of guys from Medinah. When he told them he was Mohammed and that he is God's messenger, they were shocked. When he asked them why the shock they said that the Jews in Medinah have been telling them (the Arabs) for some time already that this is the time of the coming of the Prophet and that when he comes they shall follow him and rule over the Arabs so they were shocked that he is the Prophet since he is an Arab and not a Jew. This proves that the Jews knew that there was a Prophet and that he was coming, they even knew exactly when, they just didnt know he was an Arab. Later on, many Jews did convert to Islam and did testify to the Prophet that he is indeed mentioned in there scriptures. There are many many many nice stories about the encounters of Mohammed with the Jews and stories of how they converted to Islam.

 

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Originally posted by Arab Arab wrote:

"If they weren't, then who is Elijah?"

I dont know but I think its a biblical contradiction.

My dearest Arab, we will have to continue to study this.

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