Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) in the Bible |
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mochiah
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No your point was that jews today say it is not about the mochiah
You should have said that christians believe it to be just a love song because as I said:
Once more let me sai this is a very important book to us and has always been!! It is the Songs of Songs !!! Speaking of our deliverence from the wild beasts the return to the land and the coming of King Mochiach!!!(Descendent of King David)
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Patty
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My statement was just my personal opinion, NOT an interpretation. I don't pretend to be correct on every issue. I could possibly be mistaken. (Who among us is always right?) Not me, that's for sure. |
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Patty
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What do you mean, "it simply mentions it"??? It SAYS "For thou art with me; The Bible in the Psalms clearly states The LORD is my Shepherd, in other words it is speaking of JESUS. I cannot see how you can dismiss this beautiful Psalm of hope and love so casually. Peace be with you. |
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Patty
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Sawtul Khilafah
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Something else I found intresting in the same chapter of the Song was that it says in verse 6: I opened for my beloved, but my beloved had hidden and was gone; my soul went out when he spoke; I sought him, but found him not; I called him, but he did not answer me. And then verses 8 and 9 say: "I adjure you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if you find my beloved, what will you tell him? That I am lovesick." "What is your beloved more than another beloved, O fairest of women? What is your beloved more than another beloved, that you have so adjured us?"
And right after this comes the description of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh):
My beloved is white and ruddy, surrounded by myriads. His head is as the finest gold; his locks are curled, [they are as] black as a raven...
What I find intresting is that the person speaking in the song says that the beloved is not there at the time but will come in the future and it says that the daughters of Jerusalem will find this person "I adjure you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if you find my beloved, what will you tell him?".
As I've already mentioned, Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) had a Jewish wife who converted to Islam. So she was from... the daughters of Jerusalem! |
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mochiah
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Israelite translation of this chapter: Dont forget It was written by King Salomon so we know what he meant. Now maybe you will be able to find more about Mohammad or maybe not. I am truelly interested Shir Hashirim - Chapter 2 1. "I am a rose of Sharon, a rose of the valleys." a rose Heb. חֲבַצֶלֶ 14;. This is a rose ( שּׁוֹשַׁ 04;ָה). a rose of the valleys This is prettier than the rose of the mountains because it is always moist, since the sun has no strength there. 2. "As a rose among the thorns, so is my beloved among the daughters." As a rose among the thorns which pierce it, but it remains constant in its beauty and its redness, so is my beloved among the daughters. They entice her to pursue them to stray like them after strange gods, but she remains firm in her faith. 3. "As an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my beloved among the sons; in his shade I delighted and sat, and his fruit was sweet to my palate. As an apple tree among the trees of the forest When an apple tree is among trees that do not bear fruit, it is more beloved than them all, for its fruit is good in both taste and fragrance. so is my beloved among the sons among the young men. The allegory is that so is the Holy One, blessed be He, chosen above all the gods. Therefore, in His shade I delighted and sat. The Midrash Aggadah (Song Rabbah), [states]: This apple tree-all flee from it because it has no shade. So did all the nations flee from the Holy One, blessed be He, at the giving of the Torah, but I in His shade I delighted and sat. 4. He brought me to the banquet hall, and his attraction to me [was symbolic of his] love. He brought me to the banquet hall The Tent of Meeting, where the details and the explanations of the Torah were given. and his attraction to me [was symbolic of his] love And his gathering, that he gathered me to him, that was love to me. I still remember his love. וְדִגְלו 65; is attrait in French. 5. Sustain me with flagons of wine, spread my bed with apples, for I am lovesick. Sustain me now as is the manner of the sick, with flagons of grape wine or with cakes of pure white flour. spread my bed Spread my bed around me with apples for a good fragrance, in the manner of the sick, for I am sick for his love, for I thirst for Him here in my exile. רְפִידָה is an expression of a couch, like (Job 41:22): "where he lies (יִרְפַּד) is gold upon the mire." 6. His left hand was under my head, and his right hand would embrace me. His left hand was under my head in the desert. and his right hand would embrace me He traveled a three-days� journey; to search out a rest for them [as in Num. 10: 33], and in the place of the rest, He brought down manna and quails for them. All this I remember now in my exile, and I am sick for His love. 7. I adjure you, O daughters of Jerusalem, by the gazelles or by the hinds of the field, that you neither awaken nor arouse the love while it is desirous. I adjure you you nations. by the gazelles or by the hinds that you will be abandoned and preyed upon like gazelles and hinds. that you neither awaken nor arouse the love that is between my beloved and I, to change it and to alter it and beg me to be enticed to follow you. while it is desirous as long as it is thrust in my heart, and he desires me. while it is desirous Heb. עַד, like (1: 12): "While (עַד) the king was at his table," [i.e.,] while (בְּעוֹד) the king was still at his table. that you neither awaken Heb. תָּעִירו 68;, if you cause hatred, like (I Sam. 28:16): "and has become your adversary (עָרֶ) " ; (Dan. 4:16): "and its interpretation for Your foes (לְעָרָ)." nor contest Heb. תְּעוֹרְ 12;וּ, like (Keth. 13:6): "one who contests the ownership (הָעוֹרֵר) of a field," chalon[j]�r in Old French, to contest, claim. There are many aggadic midrashim but they do not fit the sequence of the topics, for I see that Solomon prophesied and spoke about the Exodus from Egypt and about the giving of the Torah, the Tabernacle, the entry to the Land, the Temple, the Babylonian exile, and the coming of the Second Temple and its destruction. 8. The sound of my beloved! Behold, he is coming, skipping over the mountains, jumping over the hills. The sound of my beloved The poet returns to earlier topics, like a person who was brief with his words and later said, "I did not tell you the beginning of the matter." He commenced by saying, "The king brought me into his chambers," but did not tell how He remembered them in Egypt with an expression of affection, and now he returns and states: This attraction that I told you about, that my beloved drew me and I ran after him, came about as follows: I had despaired of the redemption until the completion of the four hundred years that were foretold [in the Covenant] between the Segments. The sound of my beloved! Behold, he is coming before the end, as one skipping over the mountains and jumping over the hills. 9. My beloved resembles a gazelle or a fawn of the hinds; behold, he is standing behind our wall, looking from the windows, peering from the lattices. My beloved resembles a gazelle in the swiftness of his running, for he hastened to come like a gazelle and like a fawn of the hinds. עֹפֶר is a young hind. behold, he is standing, etc. I had expected to remain detained for many more days, and behold, he informed me that he was standing and peering from the windows of heaven at what was being done to me, as it is written (Exod. 3:7): "I have indeed seen the affliction of My people, etc." 10. My beloved raised his voice and said to me, 'Arise, my beloved, my fair one, and come away. raised his voice Heb. עָנָה, an expression of answering and [sometimes] an expression of a loud cry, and the following is the precedent for them all (Deut. 27: 14): "And the Levites shall raise their voices (וְעָנוּ)." and said to me through Moses. Arise (Exod. 3:17): "I will bring you up from the affliction of Egypt." 11. For behold, the winter has passed; the rain is over and gone. behold, the winter has passed There is no difficulty in traveling now. סְתָיו is winter. The Targum of חֹרֶף (Gen. 8:22) is סִתְוָא. 12. The blossoms have appeared in the land, the time of singing has arrived, and the voice of the turtledove is heard in our land. The blossoms have appeared in the land The days of summer are near, when the trees blossom and the travelers enjoy seeing them. the time of singing has arrived when the birds give forth their song, and the sound is pleasant for travelers. and the voice of the turtledove Heb. הַתּוֹר. According to its apparent meaning, this is a term referring to turtledoves and young pigeons. It is customary for the birds to sing and chirp in the days of Nissan. 13. The fig tree has put forth its green figs, and the vines with their tiny grapes have given forth their fragrance; arise, my beloved, my fair one, and come away. The fig tree has put forth its green figs [This is to be explained] according to its apparent meaning. and the vines with their tiny grapes When the blossom falls, and the grapes are separated from one another, and each grape is recognizable by itself, it is called סְמָדַר. This entire episode, according to its simple meaning, is an expression of the affection of enticement, i.e., a young man appealing to his betrothed to follow him. So did my beloved do to me. [10] My beloved raised his voice through Moses. and said to me through Aaron. Arise, my beloved Hurry (Exod. 11:2): "and let each man borrow from his neighbor." [11] For behold, the winter has passed These are the four hundred years. I skipped them by counting them from Isaac�s birth. the rain which is the hardship of winter, is over and has gone away; i.e., eighty-six years of harsh slavery were decreed upon you, and they have gone away. From the time that Miriam was born, the Egyptians intensified the bondage upon Israel; therefore, she was called Miriam, because they made it bitter (מַר) for them. [12] The blossoms have appeared in the land Behold Moses and Aaron are prepared for you to fulfill all your needs. the time of singing has arrived you are destined to recite the Song by the Sea. and the voice of the turtledove Heb. הַתּוֹר, the great guide (תַּיָר). Another explanation: קוֹל הַתּוֹר means the voice [announcing] that the time of your exodus from Egypt has arrived. [תּוֹר is explained to mean time, as in Esther (2:12,15).] [13] The fig tree put forth its green figs The time to bring the first fruits has arrived, for you will enter the Land. and the vines with their tiny grapes The time of the wine libations has drawn near. Another explanation: The pious among you ripened and blossomed good deeds before Me and emitted a pleasant scent. arise Heb. קוּמִי לָכִי. A superfluous "yud" is written. Arise to receive the Ten Commandments. Another explanation: "The fig tree has put forth its green figs" -These are the transgressors of Israel, who perished during the three days of darkness. and the vines with their tiny grapes gave forth their fragrance Those who remained of them repented and were accepted. So it is interpreted in Pesikta (Rabbathi 15:11, 12; Pesikta d�Rav Kahana, p. 50). 14. My dove, in the clefts of the rock, in the coverture of the steps, show me your appearance, let me hear your voice, for your voice is pleasant and your appearance is comely.' My dove, in the clefts of the rock This is said concerning that time when Pharaoh pursued them and overtook them camping by the sea with no avenue of escape before them because of the sea, and they could not turn because of the wild beasts. What did they resemble at that time? A dove that fled from a hawk and entered the clefts of the rocks, and a snake was hissing at her. Should she enter within, there was the snake. Should she go outside, there was the hawk. The Holy One, blessed be He, said to her, "Show Me your appearance," the propriety of your deeds, to whom you turn in time of trouble. let me hear your voice (Exod. 14:10): "And the Children of Israel cried out to the Lord." in the clefts of Heb. בְּחַגְו 61;י, in the clefts; this is a term referring to a breach, and similar to this is (Ps. 107:27): "They were frightened (יָחוֹגוּ) and staggered" ; (Isa. 19:17): "And the land of Judah will be to Egypt for a dread (לְחָגָא)," and in the plural Scripture calls them חַגְוֵי. Similarly, from קֵץ (end) קַצְוֵי, and so, (II Sam. 10:4): "and he cut off their garments ( מַדְוֵיה 62;ם)." steps Heb. מַדְרֵיג 64;ה, �chelons, in French, steps. When they make a ditch around the towers and pour the earth from above to raise the mound roundabout, they make it [in] many steps, one above the other. in the coverture of the steps There are sometimes holes in them, and reptiles and birds enter therein. 15. Seize for us the foxes, the little foxes, who destroy the vineyards, for our vineyards are with tiny grapes. Seize for us the foxes The Holy One, blessed be He, heard their voice, commanded the sea, and it inundated them. That is the meaning of "Seize for us" these "foxes," the little ones with the big ones, for even the little ones were destroying the vineyards, when our vineyards were still with סְמָדַר, when the grapes were tiny. When a Jewish woman gave birth to a male and hid him, the Egyptians entered their houses and searched for the males, but the baby was concealed, and he was a year or two old. So they would bring a baby from an Egyptian home; the Egyptian baby would speak, and the Jewish baby would answer him from his hiding place; and they would seize him and cast him into the Nile. Now why does he call them foxes? Just as the fox looks to turn around to flee, so did the Egyptians look behind them, as it is written (Exod. 14:25): "I shall flee from before Israel." little foxes Heb. שֻּׁעָלִ 97;ם. It is written without a "vav", because He punished them with water, which was measured with the gait ( בְּשָּׁע 59;לוֹ) of the Omnipresent. 16. My beloved is mine, and I am his, who grazes among the roses. My beloved is mine, and I am his He demanded all His needs from me; He commanded only me: Make a Passover sacrifice, hallow the firstborn, make a Tabernacle, sacrifice burnt offerings, and He did not demand these things of any other nation. and I am his All my needs I demanded of Him, and not of other deities. who grazes his flock among the roses, in a good, pleasant, and beautiful pasture. 17. Until the sun spreads, and the shadows flee, go around; liken yourself, my beloved, to a gazelle or to a fawn of the hinds, on distant mountains." Until the sun spreads This refers back to the preceding verse: "My beloved is mine, and I am his," until the time that the iniquity caused the sun to darken me in the heat of the day, and the heat to intensify. and the shadows flee We sinned with the Calf; we sinned with the Spies, and the shadows fled, the merits that protected us. We broke off His yoke. go around, liken yourself, my beloved I caused him to leave me on mountains distant from me. distant Heb. בָתֶר, an expression of separation and distancing. Edited by mochiah |
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Sawtul Khilafah, Song of Solomon has nothing to do with Moses, or Jesus or Muhammad or their names. Solomon is believed to have written it for a maiden whom he wanted to be his queen, at all cost. The maiden loved only her dear shepherd and was not at all shaken by the great temptations and remained faithful to her shepherd. According to commentary in the Jewish Holy Scriptures, the Jewish tradition does not see the erotica in it but sees in every line a symbol of divine love which sanctifies human relationship. Jewish tradition also finds in this book an allegory of God's eternal guardianship over Israel. The New Tesatment writers do not talk of the song but the Christians do not want to be left behind and find an allegory for relationship of Jesus and his church or his believers. Basing on above, you can say that Solomon wrote the song to foretell and show God's love for Muhammad and his followers. BMZ |
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Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God."
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Psalms Chapter 1101. Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet." 2. The staff of your might the Lord will send from Zion; rule in the midst of your enemies.
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Muhammad had no oil rubbed into his hair. Muhammad was not the oil-annointed one, Jesus was. Qur'aanic Jesus also had no oil rubbed into his hair. The biblical Jesus had and hence was called the annointed one. Muhammad was the Praised one by the Lord Almighty. If Muhammad had the oil rubbed into his hair, the Jews and the people would have considered the Messiah but an Arab one. |
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Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God."
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