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Doo-bop
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mochiah
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Since the Time of Jesus that was send to spread the noahite laws to gentiles the Christians have gone astray and started Idolworshipping when the Romans hijaked the message. Then G*D send Muhammad to spread the Noahite Laws to Gentiles they have gone astray by turning their hart in to stone and by that missinterpreting the Quran (If you are right in battle you should win that is a law from the Qur'an If you arent you will lose: That is why Arabs have lost all wars against tiny Israel). And today the lord is comming back to us. That is why the tiny state of israel has won all wars : we are fighting the battle of G*D. G*D never loses a battle!!! Edited by mochiah |
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Doo-bop
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This suggests to me that you think the Lord Jesus and Muhammad were proclaiming the same message ie. the "Noahite laws". Could you clarify?
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minuteman
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So I haven't been able to convince you! Well, minuteman, that leaves you with the big problem of the kings of Israel, which I drew your attention to. I agree with you that the understanding you have of the phrase "from among their brethren" is simple. But what surely matters is how the Israelites themselves understood it. And the fact is that the prophet Samuel anointed Saul and David, both Israelites, not Ishmaelites, to be kings over Israel It is not your fault. Perhaps it is my fault that I did not read your poat properly. I will now read about the Kings and then i will give myopinion. As I said, the Ishmaelites are brethren of the Israelites, but distantly. Properly speaking, the brethren of the Israelites would be the Edomites, the descendants of Esau, who was the twin brother of Jacob/Israel. You really are s t r e t c h i n g a point when you claim that "from among their brethren" is a reference to the Ishmaelites Also, a prophet the like of Moses. we can prove from Quran that Muhammad is the prophet like Moses, by a direct statement. Can any one point out from the bible NT that Jesus was the prophet the like of Moses?? Not possible. Also, we know that there is no similarity between Moses and Jesus. One is man god, the other is a prophet. One brought a law for the people, the other tried to strengthen that law. One (Moses) was senior. The other (Jesus) was the follower of Moses a.s. Well, please give the reference from the Quran for this "direct statement". I am always interested to know such things. (Please see Quran 73:15) The New Testament says that the Lord Jesus is "the prophet like Moses". We read this in Acts 3: 22-26. The apostle Peter is here preaching the Holy Gospel to the jews in Jerusalem, and he quotes the verses in Deuteronomy 18, with reference to his own days - v. 24. The Lord Jesus himself said "Moses wrote of me" - John 5: 46. There is no similarity between Moses a.s. and Jesus a.s. Jesus is a controvertial figure because the people that he came for did not accept him and do not accept him even today as a truthful person. But the christians made him into a god. See the wide gap between two opinions?? It is proved from the acts chapter 3 that That Prophet had not yet arrived even after the departure of Jesus. I will present the text soon. At the same time I will present the exact verse of the Quran which states "Surely we have sent to you a messenger who is a witness amongst you exactly as We had sent a messenger to the Pharoah." The Verse number I may write later. And of course we can see great similarities between Moses and the Lord Jesus as a prophet (of course they were not similar with regard to the Lord's deity). Both came out of Egypt to do the work of God. Both were mediators of a covenant for the children of Israel. Both performed great signs and wonders and miracles. Both were Israelites. These things, as far as I know, cannot be said about Muhammad. (But no doubt you will be able to produce a list of similarities between Moses and Muhammad! -I seem to remember seeing one somewhere once) That Diety of Jesus a.s. makes a lot of difference. The Category changes. The Category of Moses a.s. is different to that of Jesus a.s. There are other problems. God said He will put His words in his mouth. He will tell all to his people. Jesus did not tell all. See John ch.16. God said He will take account of all those who did not listen to that prophet. Jesus was punished by Jews. God did not do anything to the Jews apparantly for a very long time (300 years). Such things did not happen in the time of Muhammad. Well, no, it does not say he will tell all. Deuteronomy 18: 18 says - "he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him", which the Lord Jesus did - John 17: 8 -"I have given them the words which thou gavest me." And it was not long till God came in in judgement against the jews because of their rejection of Christ. You say it was after 300 years, but it was only 37 years after they crucified the Lord. In AD70, the Romans desecrated and destroyed the temple, sacking Jerusalem and scattering the jews. That was the end of jewish authority in the land for another 1878 years, until 1948, when the modern-day state of Israel was founded. But the jews still don't have the temple mount, or a temple, or temple worship, and their whole history since AD70 has been one of persecution. That's a terrible price to pay, I would have thought You are right. It does not say in Deut 18:18 that he will say all. My mistake. But God said that whoever will not listen to him then God will take an account of him. Nothing like that happened even though after 70 years the jews were in some trouble. But think of the christians too. They were in trouble (hiding) for another 300 years. Btw, which verse in John 16 were you talking about? I will post that verse later. I cannot find my own words now. So, it will be later when I have the other references. I feel that ref. of John ch.16 was out of place. It was misfit. Please forget that. But now I refer you to Deut 18:20. That also goes in favor of Muhammad. Also about Essau, there is no need. The blessing has started from Abraham in his seed. The brethren will be seen from the children of Abraham and not Jacob please. I am not a political and I do not see anything wrong with what is going on in Palestine now. These are temporary things. That land was promised to the children of Abraham, as per bible and Quran. So, there has been fighting going on there since time immemorial, i.e. Joshua and Saul and david... then later by the Arab Muslims and now by the Israelis occupying the land. I have nothing against anything about that. I hope the colors do not mix up the matter too much. Your comments are in Blue and mine mostly in black. Thanks.
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Doo-bop
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minuteman, you said:- "It is not your fault. Perhaps it is my fault that I did not read your poat properly. I will now read about the Kings and then i will give myopinion." Yes, read Deuteronomy 17: 15, as I pointed out, and let me know what you think. Thank you for the reference to the Quran you gave (73: 15). It certainly does indicate that both Muhammad and Moses were apostles, but it does not make clear, at least in the translation I have, that Muhammad was "the prophet like unto Moses" |
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First thing first. In verse 73:15 it is said "Surely we have sent to you the messenger like we sent a messenger to Pharoah." What else proof do you need Doo-bop? You certainly know who was sent to Pharoah. About Deut 17:15, that is correct about a King for the ISRAELIS. Not for a prophet for them and the world. That is written there that they will have a brother king. There is not only written brethren but also written brother too. It is natural that the king will be from the Israelis. We have a complete narrative about the selection of a king for the Jews described in the Quran. That was when Saul was appointed a king for them. It is in Quran. That has nothing to do with a prophet the like of Moses to be raised. Now Jews are in double trouble. The christians are fighting that That prophet is Jesus. The Jews do not admit him as a good man even. The Muslims admit Jesus as a prophet but christians think that is not enough goodness of the Muslims. The Muslims should believe in Jesus as a god. That is not possible. The Jews are in double trouble because their saviour (Jesus ) had come to them but they rejected him. That was their first mistake. Then came Muhammad, the like of Moses as described in Deut 18:18. The Jews rejected him too. So, they are waiting for some one, I do not know who. Are they waiting for their Messiah? Or or they waiting for That Prophet? What is the reality, only a man from the children of Jacob can tell us.
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mochiah
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7 Noahide Laws: 1. BELIEF IN G-D 2. RESPECT G-D AND PRAISE HIM 3. RESPECT HUMAN LIFE 4. RESPECT THE FAMILY 5. RESPECT FOR OTHERS� RIGHTS AND PROPERTY 6. CREATION OF A JUDICIAL SYSTEM 7. RESPECT ALL CREATURES
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Israfil
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I believe another reason why Jews reject Jesus as the Mashiach is because in the Talmud I believe there is a passage regarding peace proceeding the arrival of the Maschiach. Also, the "annointed One" is both human and Jew and will win the hearts and minds of both Jew and gentile alike. Of course there are others but this comes to mind.
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