Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) in the Bible |
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Doo-bop
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"And the fact that the Prophet's hair remained black means that the son ALWAYS applied to him, so even if someone saw him in his sixties it would still be as the Bible said." But this is not true. We know that Muhammad dyed his hair red, with henna - see Sahih Bukhari vol1book4no.167 (and we know why certain older men do that) We also know his hair had lice - see Sahih Bukhari vol9 no.130 - not such a pretty picture "It says he was handsome (which includes cheek and lips):" No, normally very handsome people are not perfect in all their physical attributes " (The Prophet, May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also patted my cheek and I experienced a coolness or a fragrance of his hand as if it had been brought out from the scent bag of a Well, there's no mention of myrrh here.... This one I dont know, I found on another website, but I think the point is that his hands are praiseworthy and exceptional. Personally, I don't know what you find "praiseworthy" about "big, soft hands" "A lot of Christians say the song is about a woman as soon as I tell them that it's prophecying the coming of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). But the scholars seem confused wether it is about the Church or God, or the coming of the Messiah." So you are basically unable to substantiate what you are saying. The Song is about a man and a woman. The verses we have been discussing are clearly about the man. Why you are trying to make out that some people think they are about the woman, goodness alone knows... Christians view the Song as an allegory about Christ, the Bridegroom, and his bride, the holy church. The song also says that his hair is "Bushy" while the Hadith says:"...the hair of the Messenger of Allah (May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was THICKER THAN YOUR HAIR AND THEY WERE FINER (than yours)." [Sahih Muslim, 3:642] Well, I don't know how hair can be thicker than somone else's, and finer at the same time... "His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars." So what does having a "countenance as Lebanon" have to do with having a "broad countenance"? It seems to me, that far from matching up exactly, which was your claim, the descriptions given in the Song, and those of Muhammad in the various hadith you have quoted, are entirely different. You are clutching at straws, the word makh-mawd is not the name Muhammad, and the descriptions given are those of the idealised idea of beauty of the time, not specific to Muhammad |
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Apple Pie
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Muslims keep confusing the Islamic "Muhammad" with the Koranic "Muhammad". The two are not the same. The Koranic "Muhammad" is NOT a personal name...but, rather, a participle...meaning "a man praised much - praised one". Checking all 68 root derivatives of the word "Muhammad", as used in the Koran shows that it is ALWAYS used in context of deity. Always. Thus, a man being praised (i.e. "Muhammad")...can only be referring to the Biblical Jesus Christ. Hence, the Koranic "Muhammad" is, in fact, a reference to the Biblical Jesus Christ. A far cry from the "Muhammad" that Islam wants to put forth. |
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Usmani
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Quote:-Hence, the Koranic "Muhammad" is, in fact, a reference to the Biblical Jesus Christ. What about the Quranic "essa ibne Marrium"Jessus Christ, to whom its reffering to? |
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Andalus
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dying means that the hair had another color. So yes it is still true. You do understand the nature of "dying" vs "natural color" and the effect one has on the other? According to you, God was birthed through a vagina and covered in nasty afterbirth, and God used the toilet, wiped his rear end, stunk, dirtied his diapers, etc, etc. It would seem that your theology puts you in no postition to dictate what is nice and not nice. Lice seems pretty insignificant now yes?
Petty conjecture. Your opinion does not hold as fact.
" (The Prophet, May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also patted my cheek and I experienced a coolness or a fragrance of his hand as if it had been brought out from the scent bag of a Well, there's no mention of myrrh here.... There is no explicit verse that says Jesus is God, but you are able to superimpose your beliefs onto implicit verses to make yoru claims about his divinity. There is no mention of what the exact source of smell was in many of the haidths that discuss his scent.
Ok.
Thats a complete distortion of the Song. Jesus nor anything about a trinue God was ever mentioned or thought about in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is not a single prophecy in the Hebrew Scriptures that can explicitly be about God comeing to earth through a woman's womb.
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Doo-bop
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Andalus, you are missing my point. The claims made by Sawtul in this thread are 1. that Muhammad is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5: 16 and that 2. the descriptions of the man in verses 10-16 of that chapter match exactly with those available descriptions of Muhammad found in islamic scriptures. I am simply saying, for the reasons I've given, that neither assertion is true.
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Sawtul Khilafah
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Those whom We have given the Book recognize him as they recognize their sons, and a party of them most surely conceal the truth while they know. (Qur'an 2:146)
Intrestingly there is also a story in Islamic history books that some Jewish leaders came to Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and recognised him as described in their books. Then, one of the wives of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) who used to be Jewish heard those men discussing how to conceal this from others ! Now it's intresting that as we have already seen, Jewish scholars in the past believed that this song was a prophecy about the coming of a Messiah. But in its present form, when you put chapter 5 next to the other chapters of the song it seems like some sort of a "love song" which can be interpreted in many different ways. It could be that the original prophecy was made into a love song by mixing it with one. It is also intresting that the original name of the song was SHIR HASHIRIM, but for some reason they mistranslated it into "Song of Solomon". My question from jews and Christians here is, is this song a "love song" between Solomon and Queen Sheba ? Or is it between Jesus and the Church ? Or God with people ? Or a prophecy about the coming of a Messiah and building of the Third Temple ? |
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Patty
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I believe it is about Christ and the Church. Here is a site which is an easy read (I think), and you enjoy reading it. Maybe it offers a little insight into the Song of Solomon for you. The Song of Solomon Commentary Edited by Andalus |
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Patty
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The Song of Solomon is nothing but a love song between Almighty God and the Born-Again Christians. [8] The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills. Look at verse 16 above and look at the following Words of Jesus to His DISCIPLES: John.14
John.15
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