What if America Left?

Hanan Amen to that! I hear it all the time from everyone from hospitals that they feel the same way as you do about that! I for one totally agree with you.

Ops...You have to understand that in some situations including the ones that we are currently in thatpeople have to make their own decisions even if it the decision to destroy themselves. I understand now that we (even ideally and remotely we go in with an altruistic impression) can do more harm than good. Even if the average American believed that we were in there for good reason (although it is probably not) the ultimate decisions of what w do militarily is up to the Chief of ALL decisions-the President.

Ops in some strange way I'm an idealist as you are. I believe that there are corrupt dictatorships in the world but we cannot save everyone just like myself, as a police officer I know I wont be able to save everyone. Today I did 8 hours  in the jail system adn there are many gang members and drug dealers that definitely deserve to rot in the jails and there are some who are out in the streets. I'd like to get all these predators. But we cannot get them all and we cannot rehabilitate every drug user. One thing about my job is that you can be an idealist but its unrealistic to maintain that mindset, I understand that now. Everyone cannot be saved and everyone sometimes, doesn't want to be saved. Remember that!

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It would also be good to charge America for the destruction and chaos it has brought to the country and region as a whole... Oh, and they could have Saddam as a take-away memorabilia.

Brother, thanks for such a generous offer. You could throw Karzai in as well. I won't mind. 

The situation in Afghanistan is:

This time there are no excuses. Every scrap of intelligence warned the government not to fight a war against insurgency in south Afghanistan. Ask the CIA, MI6, the former service chiefs Lord Inge and Lord Guthrie, and Nato allies who thought the then defence secretary, John Reid, was mad. Ask the Americans, who were losing more men than in Iraq and were wisely withdrawing. Read the reports published throughout 2004/5 that the Taliban were back in strength. These were veteran guerrillas, well armed, who could count on the tacit support of tens of thousands of tribal militias. What made Tony Blair think he could beat them with just 4,000 soldiers? The Soviets lost with 120,000.

The Russians had warned the US not to go in Afghanistan.

That is my view, dear brother. In my view, with the "best of intentions", both Iraq and Afghanistan are failures and would remain so.

BMZ

Prophetic, but just a bit difficult for our friends from the reasoning quarter to understand.

It is none of the American business to remain in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN. Let the population there decide what they want !!

Kashif

Yaar, if the bullies let the world to its own then who will pay them the tributes?

Exactly and likewise the cost of rebuilding Lebanon should be charged to Israel and come from the coffers of Israel. Why should others pay?

Best Regards

BMZ

Brother, not just that. We must have exactly the same compensation for each person as is fixed for Americans loss: $7 million. Isn�t it racist to accept something like �3512 pounds for 16 Iraqis killed?

I started to notice that no one in the middle east wants to accept responsibility for thier own actions.

Each time a proper and honest Mid East peace proposal was put before the UN who vetoed it? Have a guess. When you find that out, my friend, we will talk.

I would guess that the terrorists in Iraq has killed more civilians than the US since they actually target the local Iraq's who are trying to make the best of themselves by getting jobs and such but since nutjob with a bomb thinks they should not be working for the current government that they deserve to die. Of course no one seems to ever talk about that part of the war.

Please start a string for that and, I am sure, many would like to discuss your favourite topic with you.

This string is about the US should get out of there even in their own national interest.

It seems to me that, despite the loud proclamations of being anti-Bush and his racist government, many posters do support his agenda and repeat everything I�ve heard the neo-cons and others say.

Hanan, the Neo-Con in the common man�s skin is the most dangerous variety.

Why is it so important to some of our forum members that the US should remain in Iraq?

For the supremacy of the most sacred flag on our earth.

What has America done to prevent the killings?

The killings are part of the US agenda

� to partition Iraq and + as an excuse for their stay.

What has America done to further democracy and freedom in any of the countries it has ravaged for it�s own financial and ideological gain?

The American interests in the world and democracy don�t mix.

But, believe you me, the US had done all that could ever be done for MacDemocracy.

Does America, and it�s defenders on this forum, have a plan?

Yes, a very profitable �Party Plan�.

I will love you for your honesty.

That�s very sad. Who said honest was a profitable or a smart thing?

In case you didn't know the British lost the war and that is why they pulled out. Otherwise I think the war would of kept on going.

I am glad that the Americans won it in Eyrak and Afgaanistan!

I agree that America has no business with the affairs of oither countries and although I don't like playing super hero to a lost cause I think the case with the United States
intervening was "cause and effect."
I promise, I sincerely wish I could believe that world history wasn�t there before 9/11.

Although we may not see it in the media or ever see it I believe that there are some
sectors of these countries where people are flourishing whereas before they wouldn't have.

Very true, in today�s Iraq, the morgue is the most flourishing business we could ever have. I have been tempted to float a company in this sector.

Democracy, freedom, education, love, peace, sandy beaches and rock'n'roll is utter puff.

And, absolute bluff!

And �leaders�, in most of today�s world, have become synonymous with �corrupt�� only that some wear suit and tie, others military uniform and yet others tribal robes.

Brother, leader is mis-spelt.

The word is �Lidder� � who keeps the lid on the truth and on the populace�s brains.

Now you know why I miss you when you disappear?

We are being terrorized by manufacturers of drugs (meth labs, ect.), drug dealers, gangs, blue/white collar crimes, just to name a few. Instead of spending millions on kick-backs to politicians and billions to devastate foreign countries, we should raise the pay-scale of law enforcement and military personnel and increase the minimum wage.

Simply wow!

America is always told to mind her own business yet you all support other muslims from other countries that go and fight in other countries other than thier own so why the hypocrisy?

We don�t believe in countries.

All these countries were plotted by some bald, pot bellied English civil servants, allegedly for some �His� or �Her� majesty. Historically all this space was shared by many groups, tribes, peoples. They fight for the simple and basic principle of freedom.

Only some very raw chaps would fight for land or a piece of cloth with a motif on it.

Does that mean whenever any western country is attacked that Americans have a right and duty to go and help that nation no matter who it may be?

Are you running in soliloquy mode, a bit like Hamlet, asking yourself all the questions?

If you are asking me then we must realise that it's a historical fact:

the Americans have always found or invented reason for attacking any country of their choice whethre some western country was attacked or not.