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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2006 at 8:22pm
Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

I have waited exactly three days to see if you had the courage to respond to my above post, with some Logic Software. But the general consensus, at this board, seems to be right that you disappear when something substantial is posted.

I am sorry, but I must have missed the substance you speak of. Perhaps it is buried in your Queen like drama. Waiting for three days? I though you were leaving? And you were waiting? This is too funny. 

No, neither did you post anything of substance, nor do you follow through with anything you say.

You are a waste of time. I simply felt I had washed my hands of you, as you will never give a real discourse, and I assumed you had no real intention to have a serious discussion given the quality of the material you gave, and your dramatic, Oscar winning performance of your empty threats to leave. I was unable to find anything but drama, whining, and trivial, irrelevant quibbling. So what did you want me to respond to exactly?

 

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Brother, at times, we just stand by and watch even some of our best being unable to understand why the English say: Never cast thy pearls in front of the swine!

And the Americans say, 

Everything has its limit - iron ore cannot be educated into gold. -Mark Twain.

So I have learned not to expect anything of serious value from your contributions.

Kindly, don't flatter yourself. Did you initiate this string or the matter about Ayesha's (r) age?

Did I initiate the string? Do you really need me to reply or are you not capable of reading the names of those who contribute? Seriously. What you are going on about?

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

A proper moderator would have been able to work out where a comment is aimed. My comment was AND STILL REMAINS AIMED AT FOGTRIK.

They were also aimed at me, out of the blue. You are trying to quibble again.

 

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Somehow, you always appear out of the blue, for my rescue. I was also keeping quiet for I prefer not to take much notice of our poor Andalus' posts, in general. I had only wondered about Islamicity's criteria of selection when their moderator had readily granted his seal of affirmation to this spin - it's no myth.

Your two comments (snide remarks about me) are noted. Please be aware. If you have problems with me, and if you want to discuss it rationally, then that is fine. If you want to take cheap shots when you feel the moment moves you, then there is a problem. Your snide remarks toward me as moderator will not be tolerated. I do not want to see your usual long winded rant about the matter. I have made myself and my position extremely clear. 

Kindly, keep noting as many remarks you may desire. Yes, I do wonder about Islamicity's criteria of selection when their moderator had readily granted his seal of affirmation to this spin - it's no myth.

It is only a fact in your extremely small, and narrow world. And you have been warned about your remarks regarding moderation and the methods for choosing them. I do not care what you have dreamt up and convinced yourself of. You can live in your delusion all you want and believe what you want, the fact remains, you have been warned. That's all there is to the matter.

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

I have made my position absolutely clear that it's My Observation and I hold exactly the same rights to post my observations as you do.

Ah. Problems in critical thinking. I will simplify this for you. My comments about Cindy Sheehan is not the same as your remarks about moderation, how they are chosen, and your low regard for me. You may feel the way you do, but when you go out of your way to take shots at one of us, and the process of choosing them (now you are trying to publicly discredit admin and the other moderators), this is not the same thing in anyway to my views on Cindy Sheehan. This is a "false" analogy. To try and equate them is simply your attempt at using ignorance to justify your desire to take shots at me as moderator.

Let me make it clear. The two are not the same, and will not allow you to get away with insulting moderators. Is that clear?

 

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

 

Can you understand that? Or do some of us need to moderate you a little?

No I do not. The rational behind your attempt at a false analogy in order for you to excuse yourself cannot be understood because it makes no sense. I do understand your desire to obfuscate. That much is clear.

You have been warned, and we are all moderated, inculding you.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2006 at 11:33pm
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Whisper, I really do not understand your problem. You have no right to insult brother Andalus. Just because your opinion differs from someone, doesn't give you the right to insult them.

You said you were leaving,huh? what happened?

You have been warned against attacking moderators (and users). This is your last and final warning. This place is for peaceful discussions. ANYBODY breaking the guidelines will face the consequences. This is your last chance.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2006 at 5:46am

I though you were leaving?

Some dreams do take a while to come true. 

Sir, I would have gone by now, I am the last person to hold any need, desire or the taste for staying in any infested place. But, I had to stay and clear a que of some very interesting PMs, from your other admirers since declaring my intention to Ban Myself from Islamicity.

No need to panic, I will soon grant you your great wish, I don't have to stay to expose you, in time, you will do that for me.

How nice. Are you using these double bold letters, to put a bit of power in your words? Or just to scare me?

My comment was AND STILL REMAINS AIMED AT FOGTRIK. They were also aimed at me, out of the blue.

You are welcome to share it with FogTrik if you insist. Any proper moderator would see that I am using "my comment" and he wouldn't have used They were.

the fact remains, you have been warned. That's all there is to the matter.

Thank goodness, I have seen, known and lived under a few tinpot dictators in my life. Had I not seen the reality fo such peoples' potence, I would have been shivering by now and even may have gone into hiding since your warning.

"thats all there is to the matter" is mere wishful thinking on your part. What grants you the divine right to disinform people in a public forum and then go scotfree? That click and paste quote from poor Aristotle?

and will not allow you to get away with insulting moderators.

What Moderators have I insulted?

I am taking just ONE Neo Moderator to task. Let me assure you in the gentlest possible way, Sir, that each member on this board holds all the rights to question anyone, including a moderator.

No one ever comes to hold any divine rights. A very simple tip: even amoderator has to earn respect, in any public forum, in his or her own right.

Demand respect and see how much respect you get from around here.

The two are not the same,

The basic principle is exactly the same. Are you trying to tell us that it's okay to slander Cindy Sheehan only because she is not a Muslim woman? But some tinpot moderator is somehow the only untouchable thing in our world?

And, it's also okay to jump in a "Yes, True" in a slanderous string? I don't need any long explanation of what you meant, I can only read what you posted.

In that particular post, it came as an affirmation. I would have forgotten about it if it weren't from a Moderator.

We expect a moderator to be more responsible than other posters. Learn your responsibility and earn your respect instead of claiming it through proclamations.

The rational behind your attempt at a false analogy in order for you to excuse yourself

I hold no need at all to "attempt" at anything leave aside to excuse myself from something. You don't know me at all. I have been at Islamicity for 5 years plus. (You are so predictable, I know, you will point out my joining date - I had lost my "Khanzadeh" password in software crash and I rejoined after attempts at obtaining it) Why should I excuse myself? From what? Your fear? What can you do to me? Take my life?

You can't even ban me. I am banning myself from a place with someone like you in it.

If you had any sense at all you would look around and attempt to find out why someone (or, in fact, quite a few someones) should begin to question the criteria of Islamicity moderator selection.

Do I find any joy in that? Why have I not questioned it through all these five years? I don't know you personally, I have nothing against you other than your attitude and your utter ignorance. You may be a great pleasure some Richard Perl or David Frum, you are no pleasure for us.

It might help you just to take a look at your own self, once in a while.

Good luck and thank you. When is the firing squade coming?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2006 at 5:55am

You have been warned against attacking moderators (and users). This is your last and final warning. This place is for peaceful discussions. ANYBODY breaking the guidelines will face the consequences. This is your last chance.
Sister Amah, when did I last attack a moderator? Could you please quote one instance before this one?

I am not insulting anyone at all. Even a moderator has to earn his own respect. No one holds any divine rights.

About my leaving, please read: "I am Banning Whisper".

I hope your Neo Moderator helps in keeping it peaceful, it would be a task with his attitude.

My best and final regards.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2006 at 7:27pm
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Brother Whisper, no one has divine rights. The only thing we ask of members is to follow the guidelines of this forum so that this place does not become a "boxing ring".

You have the right to express your opinions and disagree with anyone. I am not saying anything about your opinions. But repeatedly putting down someone for his political views isn't right. Yes, Br Andalus is moderator and whether you like him or not, he deserves respect. So do you. So does everyone.

We wouldn't want you to leave. If you just don't break the rules, Honestly. We don't enjoy banning people. But we have to make sure guidelines are followed.

So think calmly. Peace be to you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2006 at 9:41pm
Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

I though you were leaving?

Some dreams do take a while to come true. 

Sir, I would have gone by now, I am the last person to hold any need, desire or the taste for staying in any infested place. But, I had to stay and clear a que of some very interesting PMs, from your other admirers since declaring my intention to Ban Myself from Islamicity.

I am sorry you are delusional. You hold yourself to high. Really. I have yet to find one serious contribution by you. Let me give you advice: It is OK that you talk to yourself and tell yourself how great you are and feel the need to affirm yourself, just becareful when you begin to answer yourself. 

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

No need to panic, I will soon grant you your great wish, I don't have to stay to expose you, in time, you will do that for me.

More queen like drama. Stop threatening to expose me and just do it. The truth is, you are all talk. You have been making this claim a few times, and all you do is respond with more dribble. Lets be honest, your true ability is to talk people to death with nonsense until people become tired from you and desire peace so much that they just stop replying. Then you can look in a mirror and tell yourself how great you are. Its actually very funny. You talk people into submission. 

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

 

How nice. Are you using these double bold letters, to put a bit of power in your words? Or just to scare me?

Actually no. I was not going to say anything since you already look silly enough. I was not going to mention your laziness in how you format a thread, but since you have decided to draw a completely false and juvenile (are these "bold" letter ok?) point, I will make mention of it!

Not only do you try and talk people to death with silly editorials that you demand total allegiance to or else the wrath of more of your ad nauseam blithering and belligerent tautoligical dribble until the recipient submits or becomes to ill to continue, but you lack ability to properly edit your replies in a courteous fashion making it time consuming to write back in return. The "double bold" was due to your short comings and my lack of time to mess with it.   

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

My comment was AND STILL REMAINS AIMED AT FOGTRIK. They were also aimed at me, out of the blue.

You are welcome to share it with FogTrik if you insist. Any proper moderator would see that I am using "my comment" and he wouldn't have used They were.

More irrelevant blithering. You can whine and hide behind such juvenile strawmen about grammer nuances (such gimmicks are the fodder of the desperate), the point is, your post insulted me also. You can try and find irrelevant grammer errors all you want. The fact still remains. "They were" implies that there is more than one comment. I though you might have the ability to figure out such a basic notion. I am sorry. I will connect the dots for you next time.   

 

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

the fact remains, you have been warned. That's all there is to the matter.

Thank goodness, I have seen, known and lived under a few tinpot dictators in my life. Had I not seen the reality fo such peoples' potence, I would have been shivering by now and even may have gone into hiding since your warning.

And more endless diatribe. While you are going on about your life trying to appeal to emotion, try looking in the mirror and contemplating your participation. It seems that you have a love for dictators. You are nothing more than a rhetorical thug. You abuse anyone who diagress with you. You try with all of your might to stifle any dessent through your ad nauseam and insulting replies. You cannot stand that someone thinks you are wrong. You lash out with vile disgust. You condescendingly place your pitty if they happen to be from the west. Your abusive attitude and bellicose nature are the true signs of s despot. Yes, I can tell you have lived under dictators, and you have learned a great deal from them. So while you are trying to point your finger at me and accuse me of being a dictator, one only has to look through the sections in this forum that you graviate to, and watch how you molest all boundaries of hypocrisy. You cannot even agree to disagree. I even let you have the last word in the Cindy Sheehan thread, because there was no more benefit for either of us to continue. This was not good enough for you. Right? How dare that someone does not agree with you. You are such a despot, you had to fire off an insult, out of the blue, in a different thread at me! Seriously. How small and petty is that whisper? How egotistical and despotic is that? So much for the charade you put here about how refined you are. 

You are a hypocrit.

 

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

 

"thats all there is to the matter" is mere wishful thinking on your part. What grants you the divine right to disinform people in a public forum and then go scotfree? That click and paste quote from poor Aristotle?

Another deflection from the great and refined whisper. It is not a matter of divine rights, nor did I claim to have them. Your attempt to make an emotional appeal concerning a charge that is simply false is more of your cheap games. Lets stick to the facts. You made an insult at a moderator that was not even on topic with the thread. You cannot do this anywhere you go. Your desire to call it a "seasoned observation" is a desperate response. You can call it anything you like. Here it is called an insult at moderation. Thats it.

What gives me the right to call it an insult? The staff who wrote the rules and makes that judgement. 

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

 

and will not allow you to get away with insulting moderators.

What Moderators have I insulted?

I am taking just ONE Neo Moderator to task. Let me assure you in the gentlest possible way, Sir, that each member on this board holds all the rights to question anyone, including a moderator.

You insult the staff when you question the methods used here to select moderators. That is a direct insult to admin. Try cracking open a critical thinking book.

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

No one ever comes to hold any divine rights. A very simple tip: even amoderator has to earn respect, in any public forum, in his or her own right.

Baseless assertion.

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

Demand respect and see how much respect you get from around here.

Are you blind whisper? Are you having comprehension problems? Are you overlooking what I have said or not said due to your desire to nit pick through grammer nuances?

Stay focused: I do not want anything from you. I do not care if you respect me or not. Clear? I do not hate you, nor do I like you, I am neutral.

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

The two are not the same,

The basic principle is exactly the same. Are you trying to tell us that it's okay to slander Cindy Sheehan only because she is not a Muslim woman? But some tinpot moderator is somehow the only untouchable thing in our world?

No, they are very different.

No, I am not saying it is ok to slander anyone. You are saying that if I do not agree with you, then it is ok to insult me out of the blue.

CIndy Sheehan is a nut. Thats what I think. I have my reasons. I am sorry that as a Muslim, you have so few great figures in your life that you feel you must give her any serious attention to a fringe wing nut job. 

Your argument for being able to cross topics and threads and hurl an insult at me as a moderator has numerous flaws, and is unrealistic.

Let me connect the dots:

What you are suggesting is that when I, as a moderator, disagree with you, or your view, that you then have the right, because I have disagreed with you, to insult me, with an insult irrelevant to the topic that I disagreed with you about, in a thread that has nothing to do with the topic I disagreed with you on.

Now you are trying to be "clever", and equate my opinion of Cindy, as a slander, and then declare you should be able to have the right to "slander" me,.

This fails due to the erroneous nature of your thinking. It is simply convoluted.

If we follow your twisted scheme, then this forum should shut down as no one would be able to disagree without someone asserting the disagreement as an insult or slander to the point of topic, giving freedoms to hurl insults at the other when the need comes about.

If you truly cannot see the incoherence in your position, then you are lost.

 

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

 

How is an off the wall insult to me as moderator have any conenction to what I said in the Sheehan threr 

And, it's also okay to jump in a "Yes, True" in a slanderous string? I don't need any long explanation of what you meant, I can only read what you posted.

Thats a real nice deflection whisper. Masterful!

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

 

In that particular post, it came as an affirmation. I would have forgotten about it if it weren't from a Moderator.

We expect a moderator to be more responsible than other posters. Learn your responsibility and earn your respect instead of claiming it through proclamations.

More convoluted nonsense.

And again, I have never asked you for your respect. I simply do not care.  

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

You rational behind your attempt at a false analogy in order for you to excuse yourself

I hold no need at all to "attempt" at anything leave aside to excuse myself from something.

You always hide. You hide behind your charade of wordly sophistication. You hide behind little games of sematics and deflections, you hide behind insults and your infated ego. You hide all the time.

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

You don't know me at all. I have been at Islamicity for 5 years plus.

I know your pattern of behavior. Thats sufficient.

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

 

 (You are so predictable, I know, you will point out my joining date - I had lost my "Khanzadeh" password in software crash and I rejoined after attempts at obtaining it)

 I am not the one to derail a thread by trying to make points of grammer nuances and such trivial nonsense. No Whisper, that is only something you would look at and assume is a mistake. I give people, including you, the benefit of the doubt, and I know not to conclude that because your date is one thing, that it does not necessarily imply that you are lying.

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 Why should I excuse myself? From what? Your fear? What can you do to me? Take my life?

Your drama is taking my life.  

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

You can't even ban me. I am banning myself from a place with someone like you in it.

When did I claim that I would ban you? More drama. Have you ever thought about taking up a position of writer for a novela?

And FYI. No one is banned unless it has been discussed (not that I ever said I was banning you).

If you continue to go against the guidlines of moderation, then you will be banned, just as I would be banned.

Bann yourself? This is your second threat of leaving.

 

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

If you had any sense at all you would look around and attempt to find out why someone (or, in fact, quite a few someones) should begin to question the criteria of Islamicity moderator selection.

 Everyone has opinions and likes and dislikes. Unless it is a solid charge, I do not care. It is that simple. 

You are free to rant and have had many freedoms here. For the sake of reality, you have nothing to complain about.

The truth is, your ego is bruised. Why else would you have the passion to create a mountain from a mole hill, cross forum sections to hurl an insult that stems from an irrelevant thread and the insult was not even relevant to the thread where I disagreed with you. How crazy is that? Seriously. 

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

 

Do I find any joy in that?

In wasting my time hashing over your mangled drama?

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

 Why have I not questioned it through all these five years?

Why is it that at this point, you have given me no reason to care? The mystery of the internet. Lets contemplate.

Originally posted by whisper whisper wrote:

 I don't know you personally, I have nothing against you other than your attitude and your utter ignorance. You may be a great pleasure some Richard Perl or David Frum, you are no pleasure for us.

 

It might help you just to take a look at your own self, once in a while.

Good luck and thank you. When is the firing squade coming?

Thank you for your observations and I will put them under advisement.

 

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ummmm.. andalus, are you still aruguing here?   you're arguing with nobody because he left a loong time ago.

I don't see how you moderators are keeping things moderate in here.  it seems like all you guys look for is something negative to pounce on and ban it.  that's not the only role of a moderator you know. 

moderators let me remind you also tend to 'moderate' a tense situaion.  to diffuse an argument, to ballance out an awkward situation.... need i say more?

if you had kept the argument 'moderate' and not exacerbate the situaiton by proving yourself correct or disproving the other, you would have diffused the tension in the thread. your actions have produced the opposite of your role mister.  

and now we lost a close, dedicated member that has been here longer than you have in islamicity forums.

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Originally posted by amalhayati2 amalhayati2 wrote:

ummmm.. andalus, are you still aruguing here?   you're arguing with nobody because he left a loong time ago.

No, I aruged a couple of days ago. And he claimed to have left even longer ago, but did not. After promising to leave the first time, I ignored his other final post, and then he was angry that I ignored it.

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I don't see how you moderators are keeping things moderate in here.  it seems like all you guys look for is something negative to pounce on and ban it.  that's not the only role of a moderator you know. 

He was not banned. He was given a warning.

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moderators let me remind you also tend to 'moderate' a tense situaion.  to diffuse an argument, to ballance out an awkward situation.... need i say more?

 Actually you do. What does that have to do with this thread?

 

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if you had kept the argument 'moderate' and not exacerbate the situaiton by proving yourself correct or disproving the other, you would have diffused the tension in the thread. your actions have produced the opposite of your role mister.  

I am a moderator, and also a participant. I am not just part of the background. Nothing I have done has given an opposite "role".

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and now we lost a close, dedicated member that has been here longer than you have in islamicity forums.

assalam,

 

He left on his own. It is that simple. He was not "picked on",nor did we go out of our way to censor him. He went out of his way to insult me as moderator. I do not mind when someone takes a swipe at me during a heated thread. Such things happen. He did such in another thread, and I even gave him the "last word". That was not enough, so he decided to insult me as a moderator in a different thread, weeks after the fact. That is uncalled for. No one, in any forum, will be given such a "right". No one banned him, or was going to ban him. He was only warned. Do not blame me for his leaving on his own, blame him and his pride. He wanted to have a right that no one can pissible possess.

I am sorry if I have offended you.

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