What about Shias

Andalus:

Wsalaam

You are speaking about the exceptions,these people who mix and pray with Sunnis.

For a person to be Shia, he/she follows a set of beliefs that are in many ways contrary to the Sunni belief. I am speaking about Shias in general, what they believe and practise in. And what makes them a shia.

When you say that you meet and mix with people who are Shia, do you also know that in the US, (I know only about Virginia and New York), Shias have their own mosques, they even have their own community centres where the kids go to their own sunday schools.

However, I do understand the kind of people you must know. I also know some Shias who, through the internet and other sources, have read up a lot about Islam and they realise that the religion they follow has serious flaws.

Many of the generations before them really believed that the goats or something else ate up the Quran pages and that the revelation was in fact meant for Hazrat Ali RA and that grave injustices have been done to the family of Fatima RA at the hand of the rightly guided Caliphs.

Now the the opne minded and educated people of the present generations (who heard all these goat stories while growing up) especially in the US, have changed their ways of thinking and some have embraced Sunnism as the right path, alhamdulillah. Again, these are exceptions!

Some more of these, know that they are wrong but then do not make a declaration of being Sunni because of family/community pressures.

The brother who started this discussion meant to ask about the Shia faith and shi'ite people, not exceptions.

-Najamsahar

ak_m_f wrote: bmzsp wrote: Shias read and recite exactly the same Qur'aan that all Muslims have, regardless of how many chapters "the goats" chewed. can goat eat paper?

BaaaaH!  Sheep Dip? Is there a website called www.askagoat.com? If you click on that link I'll laugh!

mohammad wrote: Yesterday night I had very hot talk with one friend of mine about shias, he insisting that shias are no so longer Muslim. I told him that we should not declare the Shias as disbeliever because they are believe on oneness of Allah's, they believe on all of Prophets, they believe on all Books of Allah, they believe on Angels & recursion of last day. They also believe that Mohammad (pbuh) is the last prophet & Holy Qurain is the word of Allah Almighty, So how we can say that these are less or disbeliever. He was giving the many arguments in favor of his stand but some of his arguments is put me in difficult position to counter. He was saying that shias are believe that Qurain consist on forty parts 10 parts were eaten by goats at the time of Hazart Osman, so it means they are not believing the present Qurain is complete which is consisting 30 parts. So in this way they are ignoring the Allah promise that I am the one who is revealing this & I will be a guardian of this. This friend was telling me that they also amend the Kalama (Taueed). What is the my point here if Shias are the so big contradictions then why not Muslim Scholars unanimously decide about them as they did about Ahamdias. May some one clarify truth. I expect the litteral input from all of you.

Assalam Aleikum.

I am not an expert about the Shi'ite path or experience. But I will say that I know numerous Shi'ites who mix with Sunnis at a local moque and they believe the Quran is complete and there is no mistake.

Some pray with the clay tablet as a way of allowing the forehead to touch the earth, rather than, what could be a dirty floor.

Allahu a'lim