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Quote Duende Replybullet Topic: For All the Cindy Sheehan Haters!
    Posted: 04 August 2006 at 1:43pm
    By Cindy Sheehan
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    Friday 04 August 2006

Speaking peace while making war is not a sustainable policy.


    My trip to Jordan from JFK Airport in New York City started out
with a Middle Eastern flavor the other day. A group of us came here
to meet with Iraqi Parliamentarians and human rights groups to
find out what the people of Iraq who don't live in the Green Zone
and who do not get their paychecks from the White House think
and feel about the occupation and what their hearts' desires are for
their country.

    While I was still in JFK, an Iraqi gentleman approached me who is
now displaced and living in Jordan. He recognized me and was
"honored" to meet me and grateful for my work but wanted to
convey something to me. He said that while what the peace
movement is doing in the US to end the occupation is very
gratifying to the people of Iraq, it is "too late" for his country. He
said everyone who could leave, has left, and that most of the
country is beyond repair. The miraculous Babylon, which has been
in existence for thousands of years, didn't even last three years
after the Americans got there. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis
dead, added to the over a million who died during the sanctions ...
He sadly informed me that the Americans are not stopping the
sectarian violence, only encouraging it in his country, and he holds
little hope for any future for the land that he was born in and loves.


    We were picked up at Queen Alia airport in Amman by Munther
who has worked in and out of the government of Jordan and
consulting for NGOs for years. He helped broker the 1999 peace
agreement between Jordan and Israel - as his specialty is water and
agriculture. He is so fortunate to live in Jordan with his family, but
he has been shot and been the target of rockets in his home for his
work for peace. Munther realizes that a true and lasting peace
cannot be achieved by eternal war and killing and has paid some
tough prices for his beliefs.

    The most horrifying testimony of the day was when we met with
"Dr. Nada," an Iraqi doctor who stayed in Baghdad to help her
people during the sanctions and the invasion. She didn't abandon
her country, or sell it out like many privileged people who exited
during the Baathist regime (like Iyad Allawi or Ahmed Chalabi) or
the sanctions ... which she, as a supervisory physician at a major
Baghdad hospital, said killed two million children. The children
died of pollution and sicknesses from depleted uranium during the
first gulf mistake of George the First. The babies died because of
the war, but also because there is no medicine and very limited
medical facilities to treat them. Dr. Nada brought the daughter of a
friend, three-year-old Farrah, who had short brown hair and big
brown eyes. There were so many young children playing in Queen
airport yesterday when I got here and dozens running around the
hotel. My heart almost bursts with sorrow when I think of all of the
children in Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan who have had such
horrible lives and had many of their lives cut short by the evil war
machine that seems to be running our world.

    US General Abizaid said to a Senate committee yesterday that
Lebanon could be an effective government and US partner in the
war on terror if only their equipment could be "upgraded" and their
troops "trained" properly and that the US would be happy to "assist"
them. With all of the degraded and spent Israeli equipment and
bombs and the billions of upgrading the US military equipment
needs, it looks like it is going to be another banner year for the war
profiteers!

    Dr. Nada also told us about seven harrowing days she spent
working in an emergency room in Baghdad between April 2 and
April 9 in 2003. She said that over 100 casualties PER HOUR were
coming through her hospital alone and that many died because
they could not be helped in time. She was responsible for the triage
and she had to work knowing that number 100 that hour would
almost certainly die. The people her hospital operated on at that
time were just rolled out into the halls with no histories or IDs. She
said that she remembers that time as "amputated body parts
swimming in a sea of blood."

    Dr. Nada stayed in Iraq all of those years but now lives in Jordan
because of the continuing violence of the militias and death squads
and kidnappings in her homeland. She says that the Americans,
even though they don't kill every innocent Iraqi, are responsible for
"100 percent of the deaths," because they are not protecting the
Iraqi people, and the occupation is fueling the violence.

    I will be leaving Jordan tomorrow to head to Camp Casey III to
confront George with the horrors of his failed policies in the Middle
East. We just got an update that he will be leaving town on the 9th
now, instead of earlier published reports that said the 14th.
Munther also commented to me yesterday that he couldn't believe
that George didn't have the "courage or courtesy" to meet with me.
I responded: "He doesn't even have the courage to be in the same
town with me, anymore." This cowardly cowboy and his minions
who are so quick to condemn children to early deaths need to face
up to the reality of their crimes. We need to be as relentless and as
ruthless for peace, and in peace, as they are for war.

    I can't bear to stand by and watch more innocent Farrahs and
Caseys be killed. So I will be sitting in the ditch on Sunday to ask
the same question: "Why?

    Camp Casey Three will run this summer between August 6th and
September 2nd. Everyone is welcome.

-Come on Patty! tell us how fat she looks!
And for those who maintain she's just a self promoter,
just look at what lengths she goes to to sell her books! Now THAT'S
a book tour.
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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2006 at 11:43am

Originally posted by Duende

    By Cindy Sheehan
    t r u t h o u t | Perspective


    Friday 04 August 2006

Speaking peace while making war is not a sustainable policy.


    My trip to Jordan from JFK Airport in New York City started out
with a Middle Eastern flavor the other day. A group of us came here
to meet with Iraqi Parliamentarians and human rights groups to
find out what the people of Iraq who don't live in the Green Zone
and who do not get their paychecks from the White House think
and feel about the occupation and what their hearts' desires are for
their country.

    While I was still in JFK, an Iraqi gentleman approached me who is
now displaced and living in Jordan. He recognized me and was
"honored" to meet me and grateful for my work but wanted to
convey something to me. He said that while what the peace
movement is doing in the US to end the occupation is very
gratifying to the people of Iraq, it is "too late" for his country. He
said everyone who could leave, has left, and that most of the
country is beyond repair. The miraculous Babylon, which has been
in existence for thousands of years, didn't even last three years
after the Americans got there. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis
dead, added to the over a million who died during the sanctions ...
He sadly informed me that the Americans are not stopping the
sectarian violence, only encouraging it in his country, and he holds
little hope for any future for the land that he was born in and loves.


    We were picked up at Queen Alia airport in Amman by Munther
who has worked in and out of the government of Jordan and
consulting for NGOs for years. He helped broker the 1999 peace
agreement between Jordan and Israel - as his specialty is water and
agriculture. He is so fortunate to live in Jordan with his family, but
he has been shot and been the target of rockets in his home for his
work for peace. Munther realizes that a true and lasting peace
cannot be achieved by eternal war and killing and has paid some
tough prices for his beliefs.

    The most horrifying testimony of the day was when we met with
"Dr. Nada," an Iraqi doctor who stayed in Baghdad to help her
people during the sanctions and the invasion. She didn't abandon
her country, or sell it out like many privileged people who exited
during the Baathist regime (like Iyad Allawi or Ahmed Chalabi) or
the sanctions ... which she, as a supervisory physician at a major
Baghdad hospital, said killed two million children. The children
died of pollution and sicknesses from depleted uranium during the
first gulf mistake of George the First. The babies died because of
the war, but also because there is no medicine and very limited
medical facilities to treat them. Dr. Nada brought the daughter of a
friend, three-year-old Farrah, who had short brown hair and big
brown eyes. There were so many young children playing in Queen
airport yesterday when I got here and dozens running around the
hotel. My heart almost bursts with sorrow when I think of all of the
children in Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan who have had such
horrible lives and had many of their lives cut short by the evil war
machine that seems to be running our world.

    US General Abizaid said to a Senate committee yesterday that
Lebanon could be an effective government and US partner in the
war on terror if only their equipment could be "upgraded" and their
troops "trained" properly and that the US would be happy to "assist"
them. With all of the degraded and spent Israeli equipment and
bombs and the billions of upgrading the US military equipment
needs, it looks like it is going to be another banner year for the war
profiteers!

    Dr. Nada also told us about seven harrowing days she spent
working in an emergency room in Baghdad between April 2 and
April 9 in 2003. She said that over 100 casualties PER HOUR were
coming through her hospital alone and that many died because
they could not be helped in time. She was responsible for the triage
and she had to work knowing that number 100 that hour would
almost certainly die. The people her hospital operated on at that
time were just rolled out into the halls with no histories or IDs. She
said that she remembers that time as "amputated body parts
swimming in a sea of blood."

    Dr. Nada stayed in Iraq all of those years but now lives in Jordan
because of the continuing violence of the militias and death squads
and kidnappings in her homeland. She says that the Americans,
even though they don't kill every innocent Iraqi, are responsible for
"100 percent of the deaths," because they are not protecting the
Iraqi people, and the occupation is fueling the violence.

    I will be leaving Jordan tomorrow to head to Camp Casey III to
confront George with the horrors of his failed policies in the Middle
East. We just got an update that he will be leaving town on the 9th
now, instead of earlier published reports that said the 14th.
Munther also commented to me yesterday that he couldn't believe
that George didn't have the "courage or courtesy" to meet with me.
I responded: "He doesn't even have the courage to be in the same
town with me, anymore." This cowardly cowboy and his minions
who are so quick to condemn children to early deaths need to face
up to the reality of their crimes. We need to be as relentless and as
ruthless for peace, and in peace, as they are for war.

    I can't bear to stand by and watch more innocent Farrahs and
Caseys be killed. So I will be sitting in the ditch on Sunday to ask
the same question: "Why?

    Camp Casey Three will run this summer between August 6th and
September 2nd. Everyone is welcome.

-Come on Patty! tell us how fat she looks!
And for those who maintain she's just a self promoter,
just look at what lengths she goes to to sell her books! Now THAT'S
a book tour.

Bismillah,

Jazzak Allah Khayr for this lovely, informative article.  (I almost didn't read it because of the subject title you gave it though!  Could it be for people who want to know more about her maybe?)

Salaamu Alaykum

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Quote ops154 Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2006 at 3:58pm

Yeah I'm sure the sanctions are what caused all the problems in Iraq. Let's not even acknowledge the palaces that were being built or the millions wasted on Sadam, yeah they had nothing to do with peoples hardship. I think that bugs me the most is how the same people who rant about America are the first to forget what their own leaders have done to them.

 

It's all America's fault!!! CIA and MASSOUD is causing all the problems in the world!!! (had to say this because I'm tired of not fitting in on this board)

 

Edit: Wonder how many books she will sell while over there.



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Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!!
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Quote mariyah Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2006 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by ops154

Yeah I'm sure the sanctions are what caused all the problems in Iraq. Let's not even acknowledge the palaces that were being built or the millions wasted on Sadam, yeah they had nothing to do with peoples hardship. I think that bugs me the most is how the same people who rant about America are the first to forget what their own leaders have done to them.

 

It's all America's fault!!! CIA and MASSOUD is causing all the problems in the world!!! (had to say this because I'm tired of not fitting in on this board)

 

Edit: Wonder how many books she will sell while over there.

Peace,

Why do you feel you don't "fit" at this board OPs. If you feel that way, what keeps you coming here? There must be some reason, think about it...

 

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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2006 at 5:14pm
Originally posted by Maryah

Originally posted by ops154

Yeah I'm sure the sanctions are what caused all the problems in Iraq. Let's not even acknowledge the palaces that were being built or the millions wasted on Sadam, yeah they had nothing to do with peoples hardship. I think that bugs me the most is how the same people who rant about America are the first to forget what their own leaders have done to them.

 

It's all America's fault!!! CIA and MASSOUD is causing all the problems in the world!!! (had to say this because I'm tired of not fitting in on this board)

 

Edit: Wonder how many books she will sell while over there.

Peace,

Why do you feel you don't "fit" at this board OPs. If you feel that way, what keeps you coming here? There must be some reason, think about it...

 

Bismillah,

Good point, Sister Maryah.  Muslims and friends of muslims are so welcome, you know.

Salaamu Alaykum

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Quote Andalus Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2006 at 9:22pm

Cindy Sheehan has numerous problems that place doubt on her credibility. First and foremost is that she comes across like a "nut". She muddles through waters of world politics without even the slightest background or education on the issues she feels she represents. She fails to mention that it was not the US lead embargo which was the cause of shortages, but the deals made between Saddam Hussein and governments such as France and Germany and members of the UN. Cindy Sheehan further looses any serious credibility when she first met with Bush and accepted his usual lines, but then later, she is the rising star in the left wing liberal groups leading the way for the opposite side of the spectrum.

Her conversion to left wing politics is the move of a lost soul. She has allowed herself to be used by the opposite spectrum of the status quo paradigm. The left/right wing political paradigm is something created by the same authors and both parties have the same agenda and is kept in place to give the cattle/herd mentality and character that now makes up 95% of western thought something to do. All in all the woman comes across like a nit job, and her writings only relfect the attitudes of her newly found group.    

Originally posted by Duende

    By Cindy Sheehan
    t r u t h o u t | Perspective


    Friday 04 August 2006

Speaking peace while making war is not a sustainable policy.


    My trip to Jordan from JFK Airport in New York City started out
with a Middle Eastern flavor the other day. A group of us came here
to meet with Iraqi Parliamentarians and human rights groups to
find out what the people of Iraq who don't live in the Green Zone
and who do not get their paychecks from the White House think
and feel about the occupation and what their hearts' desires are for
their country.

    While I was still in JFK, an Iraqi gentleman approached me who is
now displaced and living in Jordan. He recognized me and was
"honored" to meet me and grateful for my work but wanted to
convey something to me. He said that while what the peace
movement is doing in the US to end the occupation is very
gratifying to the people of Iraq, it is "too late" for his country. He
said everyone who could leave, has left, and that most of the
country is beyond repair. The miraculous Babylon, which has been
in existence for thousands of years, didn't even last three years
after the Americans got there. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis
dead, added to the over a million who died during the sanctions ...
He sadly informed me that the Americans are not stopping the
sectarian violence, only encouraging it in his country, and he holds
little hope for any future for the land that he was born in and loves.


    We were picked up at Queen Alia airport in Amman by Munther
who has worked in and out of the government of Jordan and
consulting for NGOs for years. He helped broker the 1999 peace
agreement between Jordan and Israel - as his specialty is water and
agriculture. He is so fortunate to live in Jordan with his family, but
he has been shot and been the target of rockets in his home for his
work for peace. Munther realizes that a true and lasting peace
cannot be achieved by eternal war and killing and has paid some
tough prices for his beliefs.

    The most horrifying testimony of the day was when we met with
"Dr. Nada," an Iraqi doctor who stayed in Baghdad to help her
people during the sanctions and the invasion. She didn't abandon
her country, or sell it out like many privileged people who exited
during the Baathist regime (like Iyad Allawi or Ahmed Chalabi) or
the sanctions ... which she, as a supervisory physician at a major
Baghdad hospital, said killed two million children. The children
died of pollution and sicknesses from depleted uranium during the
first gulf mistake of George the First. The babies died because of
the war, but also because there is no medicine and very limited
medical facilities to treat them. Dr. Nada brought the daughter of a
friend, three-year-old Farrah, who had short brown hair and big
brown eyes. There were so many young children playing in Queen
airport yesterday when I got here and dozens running around the
hotel. My heart almost bursts with sorrow when I think of all of the
children in Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan who have had such
horrible lives and had many of their lives cut short by the evil war
machine that seems to be running our world.

    US General Abizaid said to a Senate committee yesterday that
Lebanon could be an effective government and US partner in the
war on terror if only their equipment could be "upgraded" and their
troops "trained" properly and that the US would be happy to "assist"
them. With all of the degraded and spent Israeli equipment and
bombs and the billions of upgrading the US military equipment
needs, it looks like it is going to be another banner year for the war
profiteers!

    Dr. Nada also told us about seven harrowing days she spent
working in an emergency room in Baghdad between April 2 and
April 9 in 2003. She said that over 100 casualties PER HOUR were
coming through her hospital alone and that many died because
they could not be helped in time. She was responsible for the triage
and she had to work knowing that number 100 that hour would
almost certainly die. The people her hospital operated on at that
time were just rolled out into the halls with no histories or IDs. She
said that she remembers that time as "amputated body parts
swimming in a sea of blood."

    Dr. Nada stayed in Iraq all of those years but now lives in Jordan
because of the continuing violence of the militias and death squads
and kidnappings in her homeland. She says that the Americans,
even though they don't kill every innocent Iraqi, are responsible for
"100 percent of the deaths," because they are not protecting the
Iraqi people, and the occupation is fueling the violence.

    I will be leaving Jordan tomorrow to head to Camp Casey III to
confront George with the horrors of his failed policies in the Middle
East. We just got an update that he will be leaving town on the 9th
now, instead of earlier published reports that said the 14th.
Munther also commented to me yesterday that he couldn't believe
that George didn't have the "courage or courtesy" to meet with me.
I responded: "He doesn't even have the courage to be in the same
town with me, anymore." This cowardly cowboy and his minions
who are so quick to condemn children to early deaths need to face
up to the reality of their crimes. We need to be as relentless and as
ruthless for peace, and in peace, as they are for war.

    I can't bear to stand by and watch more innocent Farrahs and
Caseys be killed. So I will be sitting in the ditch on Sunday to ask
the same question: "Why?

    Camp Casey Three will run this summer between August 6th and
September 2nd. Everyone is welcome.

-Come on Patty! tell us how fat she looks!
And for those who maintain she's just a self promoter,
just look at what lengths she goes to to sell her books! Now THAT'S
a book tour.

A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 06 August 2006 at 12:34am
Andalus, surely, nut job and naive as she may be, you do support her
efforts to get the troops out of Iraq, don't you?

Or is that the real reason why you suspect her of just dabbling in
politics: because you don't support her aims?

I'm sure we can dig some dirt on Martin Luther King, and Ghandi too,
just to mention a couple of other peace activists.

Please don't judge the message by the messenger!
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