Devout Muslim Informer

Megatron wrote: Why have they been held without any formal charges being laid against them?  Two of them have been released under house arrest again with no formal charges.  Just speculation in the media and have not had access to lawyers  In Canada because of terrorism laws, a person can be held for 6 months without any charges being laid against them, without access to lawyers or family!! Does that sound right to you?  Can't I live in a country where my freedoms aren't trampled on and also be protected by subway bombings?  This witchhunting of people in the Muslim community will just isolate the Muslim community and create more radical ideas.    Besides, terrorism has a root cause.  Maybe people need to question Canada's military operations in Afghanistan.  I'm not saying bombing a subway is a way to protest this operation, but lets look at the problem as a whole. Also, talk is talk.  I've heard people say awful things but not mean them.  I heard some Native guy just today saying he hated "white men" and he's going to "kill them all".  Maybe he should be arrested on terrorism charges.  This policy is just rubbish.  I used to live in a small town and heard skin heads say things which can easily be contrued as terrorist ideas and actions.  None of them were ever questioned by CSIS.  They were allowed to walk free.    These policies are just an attempt for the Conservative government to cozy up to Bush and his failures.  Conservative governments have always been the U.S.'s lapdog.  Just like that informant mentioned in  the article.  Nothing but a lapdog sellout.

Bismillah,

I appreciate that you brought out some points others have overlooked.  I bolded those ideas.

The first thing I thought of when I read this was:  Did he lead them into bad actions himself?  Did he encourage or incite bad behavior instead of caution the brothers to follow the right guidance in our Holy Quraan, which is to defend ourselves and not to seek out aggression?  Were these brothers misled by someone they trusted into dark spaces of their minds and hearts?

We could use more information, and here's a thought:  how about the other brothers' side of the story?

Peace

Exerpt from the article:

"Defence lawyers for the 17 accused say the government's case has many flaws and questions are already being raised about the role of informers. 

'It's going to depend on the disclosure and what role the operative played,' defence lawyer and legal activist Paul Copeland told the Toronto Star. "

This short little excerpt taken from the end of the article tells a whole different story about this "devout muslim". 

I'd back megatron and candid's arguments

nuf said. 

Bismillah

Assalaamu'alaikum Megatron.

Nobody appreciates being spied on, everyone however should be aware of The Creator who is watchful of all our deeds and intentions. Every act is judged according to person's intention. If the person described above was seeking the pleasure of Allah after consulting the Quran and the Sunnah he will receive His reward.

We are prohibited from spying on fellow Muslims when it concerns their personal affairs, however we are instructed to correct them if their wrongdoing is threatening the well-being of the community and especially innocent people. For all you know, people he saved will grow to grasp the true meaning of Islam though his action and struggle to establish obedience to The Most High. 

Narrated Anas:

Allah's Apostle said, "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, "O Allah's Apostle! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet said, "By preventing him from oppressing others." (Sahih Bukhari, V.3, Book 43, No. 624) 

Those who have uncontrolled urge to fight and explode things should choose fair circumstanes with appropriate ways and places... and there are plenty in today's world. 

Having wrote that, please remain an exemplary Muslim and dont spit at anyone... whatever circumstances.  May Allah bless us all.

Bismillah

Assalamu'alaikum Amalhayati,

Thank you for sharing the hadith. Without going into conveniently interpreting it, I would invite you to look at the context of the circumstances. If they were oppressors there is no way of covering them but bringing them to justice.

When a pious Muslim of Islamic University known for his piety by he community he lives in is surrendered by the predominantly Muslim Malaysian government to the US on unsubstantial grounds of being suspected of terrorism by the latter, it can be considered as not appropriate and the above hadith may apply.

When a couple of misguided youth plan to inflict pain or cause death to innocent people in a country with a multicultural community it is our duty as Muslims to stop them from doing so even if it may take us to call the authorities. It is no backstabbing. In fact, in the case described, those who were planning the attack in Canada were intending to commit even worse crime towards their own brother Muslims around the world than backstabbing.

Spying and serving as informant for the enemy in the context of war is obviously a treason and is a different subject altogether. Just like spying on your fellow brother in his personal affairs and later spreading the gossip about his shortcomings that would otherwise have been hidden is haraam. Hence Allah's promise to veil anyone who veils another Muslim... and we all have our own things to worry about.

I, too, noticed that many Muslims display Quranic ayats and ahadeeth without taking additional time to study them in a holistic approach instead of snatching them out of their proper context and meaning.

And Allah knows best.