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herjihad
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Posted: 20 July 2006 at 10:42am |
Bismillah, You said: HA! this guy's chest is stuffed with pride claiming 'I brought the quote-unquote terrorists to justice!'. if anything he should have brought them to a sheikh who can knock some sense into their mindes- or to their mother who could give them a spankin'! I agree with this being a mom and all. Muslims should advise each other, especially in real life situations, with advice that is helpful. I'd like to hear everyone's account of what took place though. Salaamu Alaykum |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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MOCKBA
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Bismillah May Allah guide us all! |
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lovetabuleh
Senior Member Joined: 14 March 2006 Location: Congo Status: Offline Points: 255 |
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"When a couple of misguided youth plan to inflict pain or cause death to innocent people in a country with a multicultural community it is our duty as Muslims to stop them from doing so even if it may take us to call the authorities. It is no backstabbing. In fact, in the case described, those who were planning the attack in Canada were intending to commit even worse crime towards their own brother Muslims around the world than backstabbing."
this is the foggy topic: whether or not in reality there was a threat and if there was, I bet they were they paid to do it by some secret federal authority as was the case i beleive in Sept 11th. a lot of evidence points to that. just watch 9-11 in Plane Sight, or Fairenhight 9-11 or other informative documentaries or articles linking governmental intervention to the happenings. If you as a muslim want to stop your brother who is opressing, there are other ways of bringing him to justice other than to turn him in to a critical government that you know has malice over muslims in the first place, and they're waiting for the moment an arab makes an odd move (note i say odd move , not threatining move) they'll pounce on him like a lion on it's prey! accusing them of anything and everything outlandish- why? bcz they're arabs and are 'mad at what's going on back home'. yeah uh huh, sure. HA! this guy's chest is stuffed with pride claiming 'I brought the quote-unquote terrorists to justice!'. if anything he should have brought them to a sheikh who can knock some sense into their mindes- or to their mother who could give them a spankin'! but he didn't- he brought his fellow brotheren to the hands of 'the enemy' in this case. in the article it says that there are flaws and questions are arising about these informants. the truth is clear. the messge of this haidth applies 100% to this situation. |
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MOCKBA
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Bismillah Assalamu'alaikum Amalhayati, Thank you for sharing the hadith. Without going into conveniently interpreting it, I would invite you to look at the context of the circumstances. If they were oppressors there is no way of covering them but bringing them to justice. When a pious Muslim of Islamic University known for his piety by he community he lives in is surrendered by the predominantly Muslim Malaysian government to the US on unsubstantial grounds of being suspected of terrorism by the latter, it can be considered as not appropriate and the above hadith may apply. When a couple of misguided youth plan to inflict pain or cause death to innocent people in a country with a multicultural community it is our duty as Muslims to stop them from doing so even if it may take us to call the authorities. It is no backstabbing. In fact, in the case described, those who were planning the attack in Canada were intending to commit even worse crime towards their own brother Muslims around the world than backstabbing. Spying and serving as informant for the enemy in the context of war is obviously a treason and is a different subject altogether. Just like spying on your fellow brother in his personal affairs and later spreading the gossip about his shortcomings that would otherwise have been hidden is haraam. Hence Allah's promise to veil anyone who veils another Muslim... and we all have our own things to worry about. I, too, noticed that many Muslims display Quranic ayats and ahadeeth without taking additional time to study them in a holistic approach instead of snatching them out of their proper context and meaning. And Allah knows best. |
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lovetabuleh
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from the message in that last bit of the article i'd be skepticle whether or not in reality those muslims were 'opressors'. but even if they were, don't you know mockba the hadith: " Ibn 'Umar reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "A Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. He should not wrong him nor surrender him to his enemy. Allah will take care of the needs of anyone who takes care of the needs of his brother. On the Day of Rising Allah will dispel the anxiety of anyone who dispels the anxiety of another Muslim. On the Day of Rising Allah will veil anyone who veils another Muslim." [Agreed upon] (both bukhari and muslim) I notice a lot of muslims are very gulable. what in one picture seems like a good deed is a back-stabber in incognito. I was just watching the news getting updated on any recent attacks on lebanon by israeli malittia and at the bottom of the screan read more news: Hizbollah found 15 informants (or spies) sending information from lebanon to israel.
ALLAHU AKBAR ON ALL INFORMANTS!! |
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MOCKBA
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Bismillah Assalaamu'alaikum Megatron. Nobody appreciates being spied on, everyone however should be aware of The Creator who is watchful of all our deeds and intentions. Every act is judged according to person's intention. If the person described above was seeking the pleasure of Allah after consulting the Quran and the Sunnah he will receive His reward. We are prohibited from spying on fellow Muslims when it concerns their personal affairs, however we are instructed to correct them if their wrongdoing is threatening the well-being of the community and especially innocent people. For all you know, people he saved will grow to grasp the true meaning of Islam though his action and struggle to establish obedience to The Most High. Narrated Anas:
Those who have uncontrolled urge to fight and explode things should choose fair circumstanes with appropriate ways and places... and there are plenty in today's world. Having wrote that, please remain an exemplary Muslim and dont spit at anyone... whatever circumstances. May Allah bless us all. Edited by MOCKBA |
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Megatron
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Despite what everyone says, in your heart of hearts, you know that guy is a traitor to Muslims everywhere. I still stand by my statement that if I were to meet him, I'd spit at him, maybe in the face if I could.
Maybe you guys appreciate being spied on but I don't. Maybe it's me but I like to live amongst a community of Muslims that is on my side and not the governments. The same government that sides with Israel in this crisis in the Middle East. The same government that is engaging in a oppressive campaign in Afghanistan. I dunno, but that's just me. |
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lovetabuleh
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Exerpt from the article: "Defence lawyers for the 17 accused say the government's case has many flaws and questions are already being raised about the role of informers. 'It's going to depend on the disclosure and what role the operative played,' defence lawyer and legal activist Paul Copeland told the Toronto Star. " This short little excerpt taken from the end of the article tells a whole different story about this "devout muslim".
I'd back megatron and candid's arguments
nuf said.
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