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herjihad
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Bismillah, Duende, I read this and searched for it so that I could reply to the text you wrote that I have bolded above. I agree with this and believe it is the most important thing we can work on together here at IC and everywhere else. That is, next to stopping the devastation of the world by American-backed bombings. Why call each other names anyway? People change. That's what the forgiveness of Allah, SWT, is about. Allah, The All-Knowing, knows human nature and has decreed that His Mercy is greater Than His Wrath. Why do we humans have to switch this around? Looking at the world today, the powers-that-be exercise no self-control and seek disproportionate revenge, and we the citizens of the world, are modeling this in our daily interpersonal interactions. AstagfirAllah. Salaamu Alaykum Edited by herjihad |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Cassandra
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I have said for a while now that I think we need to form an umbrella group. But everytime I do so I have been told to calm down and chill and wait for the bus. Sorry, the bus passed us while we were waiting and asleep. It swept by with such a speed that we didn't even recognise its passing. I suggest: contact all related grassroots peace groups and suggested a centralised lobby: Angela's Plan may not be a separate voice in and of itself, but maybe our task is to galvanise the separate groups into one WHOLE VOICE. It is a Herculean task, but broken down, a realisable one. Remember the Starfish: save one at a time. We form a chain along the beach with one objective. We cannot afford to wait. The clock is ticking a good deal faster than any of us realise, folks. I give it 10 years at the most. |
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Duende
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"I have said for a while now that I think we need to form an umbrella
group.� But everytime I do so I have been told to calm down and chill and wait for the bus.� Sorry, the bus passed us while we were waiting and asleep.� It swept by with such a speed that we didn't even� recognise its passing." Cassandra, I understand, and you're absolutely right! I also want to make sure you don't feel I am 'stealing' your suggestion and posting it as My Big Idea. I hate playground politics and as adults I don't think it's at all constructive to fall back on them, as tempting as it is. If we were really retentive we'd be pasting and claiming: "I said it first! No! I said it first!" And then we could all reach for our Lugers or AK47 So, a suggestion: each of us takes time to research peace orgs and find out what they are standing for and whether they appear to be good targets. How does that sound? We need to put a deadline on it, otherwise we'll just be sitting on the bus waiting for the driver (GROAN) Please get back to me as the more people do this, the quicker we'll get a start. |
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Servetus
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I think this excerpt from the at times embattled but always articulate Arundhati Roy might be interesting to some of us here. In this speech, she addresses �public power in the age of Empire� and provides background concerning the �World Social Forum.� One can take issue with any number of her points, but, to me, her powers of perception are inordinately acute. ____________________________ �I'm going to speak about three of the contemporary dangers that confront [non-violent] resistance movements: the difficult meeting point between mass movements and the mass media, the hazards of the NGO-ization of resistance, and the confrontation between resistance movements and increasingly repressive states. The place in which the mass media meets mass movements is a complicated one. Governments have learned that a crisis-driven media cannot afford to hang about in the same place for too long. Like business houses need a cash turnover, the media need crises turnover. Whole countries become old news. They cease to exist, and the darkness becomes deeper than before the light was briefly shone on them. We saw it happen in Another CIA operative, Iyad Allawi, has been installed in While governments hone the art of waiting out crisis, resistance movements are increasingly being ensnared in a vortex of crisis production, seeking to find ways of manufacturing them in easily consumable, spectator-friendly formats. Every self-respecting peoples' movement, every "issue" is expected to have its own hot air balloon in the sky advertising its brand and purpose. For this reason, starvation deaths are more effective advertisements for impoverishment than millions of malnourished people, who don't quite make the cut. Dams are not newsworthy until the devastation they wreak makes good television. (And by then, it's too late). Standing in the rising water of a reservoir for days on end, watching your home and belongings float away to protest against a big dam used to be an effective strategy, but isn't any more. The media is dead bored of that one. So the hundreds of thousands of people being displaced by dams are expected to either conjure new tricks or give up the struggle. Colorful demonstrations and weekend marches are vital but alone are not powerful enough to stop wars. Wars will be stopped only when soldiers refuse to fight, when workers refuse to load weapons onto ships and aircrafts, when people boycott the economic outposts of Empire that are strung across the globe. If we want to reclaim the space for civil disobedience, we will have to liberate ourselves from the tyranny of crisis reportage and its fear of the mundane. We have to use our experience, our imagination, and our art to interrogate the instruments of that state that ensure that "normality" remains what it is: cruel, unjust, unacceptable. We have to expose the policies and processes that make ordinary things - food, water, shelter and dignity - such a distant dream for ordinary people. Real pre-emptive strike is to understand that wars are the end result of flawed and unjust peace. As far as mass resistance movements are concerned, the fact is that no amount of media coverage can make up for mass strength on the ground. There is no option, really, to old-fashioned, back-breaking political mobilization.� Ref: http://www.democracynow.org/static/Arundhati_Trans.shtml |
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Duende
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Thank you Serv, I admire Arundhati Roy for her activism, and
itellect. If we could mobilise the millions of Muslims in India, we would have greatly added to our chances of moving politics This is particularly relevant and from what I can see, a HUGE problem in the US: "If we want to reclaim the space for civil disobedience, we will have to liberate ourselves from the tyranny of crisis reportage and its fear of the mundane. We have to use our experience, our imagination, and our art to interrogate the instruments of that state that ensure that "normality" remains what it is: cruel, unjust, unacceptable. We have to expose the policies and processes that make ordinary things - food, water, shelter and dignity - such a distant dream for ordinary people. Real pre-emptive strike is to understand that wars are the end result of flawed and unjust peace." Perhaps an answer is to get the alternative, independent media on our side and acting as our mouthpiece. Alternet recently declared their editorial line would be refocussing on Iraq and on bringing the real story to the forefront. But then again, we have reached that all too common tipping point of emotional/charity overload, more grisly news from Iraq is just old news. Nobody has the stomach to read it any more. And as with Afghanistan, the media have dropped it and moved on to the next big thing. Here in Spain, Castro's imminent death (I want to borrow from Garcia Marquez and call it 'una muerte anunciada') has shoved Lebanon onto page 7. If I were in the States, I would be out pounding the streets and sending letters to congress etc. but from here in Southern Spain, my best option is to be a cyber activist. |
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Cassandra
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Cass said: I have said for a while now that I think we need to form an umbrella Hey Girl, absolutely no competition intended nor implied. It doesn't matter who says what or when. All that metters is what we do about it. July was perfect for me to really get actively involved. August is called "making a living" and I don't have internet access at home. BUT, I suggest we divvy up the alphabet of grass roots organizations and contact them with our ideas. Make some suggestions, send them to Maryah, Colin, Whisper, Colin, Herjihad, Servetus, Suleyman, Patty, Angel, Daniel........anyone who wants to get involved, and we must now: the time for talking has passed. Lebanon hjas made it so. The problem is, to my way of thinking: what is/are our ideas.? Angela came up with her plan and it is certainly a start, but with Afghanistan and Lebanon added to the equation (and they must be), we have to re-think our intentions. What is our operation agenda? Are we yet solid enough in our plans to contact other, much more experienced agencies than ourselves with our ideas of an umbrella group? You know how egos get in the way of these things, verdad? I would be more than happy to hand that responsibility over to another group willing to "shelter" other groups, but make them a power to be reckoned with. If no-one else can do it, well then, we do it ourselves. I have suggested splitting the alp[habet: I'll happily take, say a - e. But we need something solid, something we all agree upon when we contact these groups. What is, as I think either Colin or Whisper said early on, our Mission statement? Also posted on The Pond. |
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Servetus
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�I admire Arundhati Roy for her activism, and intellect.�
So do I, Duende. When I posted the excerpt, I almost commented upon her apparent ability to balance both heart and head. �If I were in the States, I would be out pounding the streets �� All that got me was (were?) a couple of bloody fists. �� and sending letters to congress etc.� Congress already has letters. On one buttock, they have �AIPAC� branded with a hot iron; on the other, �military-industrial complex;� and they have '666' tatooed on their collective forehead. �� but from here in Southern Spain, my best option is to be a cyber activist.� I understand. I have been to Portugal more recently than to Spain. I was thinking today, over lunch, of Ernest Hemmingway and others who, in their day, went off to Spain to write of foreign (but somehow personal) wars ...
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Sign*Reader
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Edited by Sign*Reader - 23 March 2010 at 10:14pm |
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