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DavidC 
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 Posted: 28 June 2006 at 1:48pm |
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I thought Kwame Ture was an athiest.
Did he ever submit to Islam? |
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Escobar
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Posted: 09 July 2006 at 11:44pm |
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sekou Toure was a muslim her wrote a book "islam for the people's benefit" im not sure about the others |
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Escobar
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Posted: 10 July 2006 at 12:06am |
dont give me that bologna!!! yeah blacks should not fight back!!they should just take it!! its a time for peace and a time for war....if someone is Shooting at u physically,culturally,spiritually, economically, and mentally for the past 500 years!!!! BY GOD U BETTER SHOOT BACK!!! |
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Angela
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Posted: 10 July 2006 at 7:38am |
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Right, so what happens to the interracial couple? Would you kill the white mother and leave the black son without his parent? Do you really think that killing whites is going to raise the african americans up or keep them down? I'm not saying anyone should stand for injustice, however, there are better ways of bringing people up out of darkness. The key is education, not war. Instead of giving the young men guns, give them books. Let them learn about Booker T Washington, Charles Drew, Frederick Douglas, Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcom X, and many more. All these men made a positive impact on this world. All of them had an education. We all need to be investing in programs like the United Negro College Fund. We need to encourage grants and small business loans for disadvantaged business owners. We need to encourage better schools in poorer areas and more college outreach to these areas. Don't sit back and take it, get up and do something. But violence only destroys, it never builds. |
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Posted: 10 July 2006 at 7:52am |
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Could you be loved and be loved? Don't let them fool you |
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Escobar
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Posted: 10 July 2006 at 3:19pm |
Well if u take from that quote that Toure wanted to kill all white people then u dont understand the context in which Toure was speaking.... no education system is nuetral...School is also a socialization process in which children are taught to confirm with the social norms, political ideologies, religious doctrine, economic philosophy, of their given society...Since the political ideology, economic philosophies, values, world view etc of soceity are cleary wrong and then the educational system in itself is a branch of the oppressive establishment and is used as a means of controling the black and poor...Therefore in order for education to liberate blacks the system must first be changed..ie, revolution!!! This also goes back to education system not being nuetral...blacks are constantly taught to idolize such figures as King...But are not taught much about other great figures such as Nat Turner, Marcus Garvey, Black Panthers, KWAME TOURE, etc...and i wonder why?? Yeah we should invest in the UNited Negro Fund but what is the ultimate Goal of the UNited Negro Fund?? It is not to train Blacks with the skills they need to liberate their peoples, but rather the oppossite is true....Train them to work in coporate America and move out to the suburbs...Once again no education system is nuetral...Education system is just another branch of government... Like i said its a time for peace and a time for violence..."Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it. " "They are violent when their interests are at stake. But all of that violence that they display at the international level, when you and I want just a little bit of freedom, we're supposed to be nonviolent. "
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Angela
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Posted: 10 July 2006 at 3:39pm |
I'm not one of those who touts the US as the end all, be all. But, honestly, if the US didn't have opportunities for the Black Americans, we wouldn't have so many wonderful immigrants to this country coming willingly in the thousands. I've met some wonderful men and women from the Sudan, Ethiopia, South Africa and the Ivory Coast. They came here for a variety of reasons, but all came here for the opportunities it gives them. I think there is nothing wrong with teaching young black men to idolize King while not idolizing radical racist groups like the Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers. I wouldn't want my son to be taught to idolize the KKK as a Christian group with the best interests of their race involved. I know this to be untrue. There are many groups that claim to be the savior of their race. But men of true dignity, education and conscience shine through. The men like Kwame, obviously don't have that deep belief, or he would have stayed here and continued to fight for his people. Instead he left and went to Africa. In the end, what did he do for the kid in South Central LA. What did he do for the poor boy in Louisiana? Nothing. That cannot be said about Malcom X, King, Douglas or Washington. They all made lasting impacts. The militant arm of any group always hurts the greater goals. Look at the current situation with Islam. Instead of people seeing the real face of Islam. They are seeing these heretical groups that make up fatwas to show how their killing civilians and innocent is acceptible. Instead of helping spread Islam, they are bringing more war and more hardships to the innocent followers of Islam. Meanwhile, the more people the kill, the more hearts are hardened against the Message of Muhammed. In the end, they have done more harm than good. The same is with any group. People are less likely to support a group if they are willing to kill anyone for not agreeing with them. My Great Grandmother came to this country because soldiers came into the village and threatened everyone to submit. When the people seemed reluctant, they drug a nun, into the street, raped her, cut off her breasts and left her to die. The next day, knowing it was the last time he'd see her, my Great-great grandfather put her on a cart to Hamburg to board a ship and come to America where she would be safe. Later, when the enemy came, I'm sure few in that village were willing to help those soldiers. As for the UNCF, they are there to provide the ability for young men and women to get an education. There are other programs and other ways. Perhaps no education system is impartial. No system is completely impartial. But trying to improve the education systems in the inner cities is still better than killing white people in the suburbs. The former will have a lasting effect. The latter will only get those who extend the violence death sentences in a justice system already stacked against them.
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Suleyman
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Posted: 10 July 2006 at 3:55pm |
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Escobar Wrote: "no education system is nuetral...School is also a socialization process in which children are taught to confirm with the social norms, political ideologies, religious doctrine, economic philosophy, of their given society...Since the political ideology, economic philosophies, values, world view etc of soceity are cleary wrong and then the educational system in itself is a branch of the oppressive establishment and is used as a means of controling the black and poor...Therefore in order for education to liberate blacks the system must first be changed..ie, revolution!!! This also goes back to education system not being nuetral...blacks are constantly taught to idolize such figures as King...But are not taught much about other great figures such as Nat Turner, Marcus Garvey, Black Panthers, KWAME TOURE, etc...and i wonder why?? ....Train them to work in coporate America and move out to the suburbs...Once again no education system is nuetral...Education system is just another branch of government..." ------------------------------------------------------------ ------ 
We refuse to be What you wanted us to be We are what we are That's the way it's going to be, if you don't know You can't educate I For no equal opportunity Talking about my freedom People freedom and liberty Yeah, we've been trodding on The winepress much too long Rebel, Rebel We've been trodding on the Winepress much too long, Rebel Babylon System is the Vampire Sucking the children day by day Me say the Babylon System is the Vampire Sucking the blood of the sufferers Building church and university Deceiving the people continually Me say them graduating thieves and murderers Look out now Sucking the blood of the sufferers Tell the children the truth Tell the children the truth Tell the children the truth right now Come on and tell the children the truth (repeat) 'Cause we've been trodding on The winepress much too long Got to Rebel, Got to Rebel Now We've been taken for granted Much too long, Rebel (repeat) From the very day we left the shores Of our father's land We've been trampled on, oh now Now we know everything we got to rebel Somebody got to pay for the work We've done, Rebel |
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