Interesting Statement by Annie2

Mishmish wrote: You cannot logically teach something [Christianity] that has no logic.

This depends largely on the person receiving the teaching material.  If the person has faith, the lesson comes easy.  I never thought it necessary to "teach" religion though, but I digress once again.

If an atheist read the Koran, the atheist would find no logic in the belief system of Islam.  Most religions are not based in logic because, at some point, one must admit that there is something supernatural which cannot be explained by mankind.  The existence of God, or, the "first mover" as Aquinas said, is that which cannot be explained by mankind.  Aquinas' attempt to prove the existence of God was brilliant and bold, but it fails for the simple reason that the most dull thoughts of God are beyond the greatest thoughts man will ever have - we cannot prove His existence with our meager supply of knowledge.  But, why should we need to?

Pure logic deems that things for which we have no proof are irrational to believe.  Because there is no real proof that God created the world, it is irrational to believe in Him, so the argument goes.  We have "more logical" ways of explaining the beginning of the universe than God, the argument goes.

Now, when you open your faith up to the conjecture of logic, you quickly find that faith is illogical.  Belief in Islam is illogical, purely speaking.

This doesn't mean that, once you've accepted that God is the creator and sustainer of the universe, you can't make logical arguments about His purpose for us.  But, this is a difficult place to come to when we consider traditional philosophy - it is very difficult to make a reasoned argument in favor of the existence of God.  Many have been made before and after Aquinas but few have been 100% convincing to all mankind, which is obvious.

Rather than open up God to the reason and logic of this world, logic which He cannot be limited by, I think it is more appropriate to understand His true nature as defined by God on Earth, Jesus Christ.  No other faith makes this claim as convincingly; namely, that God came to Earth and gave us his true nature through the simple words of a carpenter.

Actually, when you look around, logically it is almost impossible not to believe in God. To believe that a random set of circumstances occurred which caused creation is rather ludicrous. That quite by accident, we just are.

If evolution is a fact, then why aren't humans still evolving from lower forms of life? In the thousands of years that man has been recording history, why has nothing evolved to a point of being recognised as such by man?

Anyway, this topic has strayed and Annie still has not answered the original question...

Aquinian:

I will ask you as I have asked every other Christian I know: show me in the scriptures where Jesus states: I am God. Show me in the scriptures where God states: I am a trinity/triune/Godhead, I will accept any of these.  Just show me in plain language that anyone and everyone can understand: I am God. I am a trinity.

If this is fact, it should be clearly spoken. Not alluded to here or there, or some spiritual mystery that mankind has to figure out by reading between the lines.

That's all I am asking for. The words clearly spoken: I am God. I am a trinity.

Annie:

Jesus didn't author the Quran, anymore than he authored any of the scriptures.

The Words of the Quran are from God and God clearly states that Jesus was not God, Jesus was not the son of God and that there is no trinity. These have been posted to you before, so you already know this.

You can not show me this in the scriptures because it doesn't exist in the scriptures.

By stating that just because God didn't deny He is a trinity that it must be so is ridiculous. God also didn't deny that He is Osiris, does that make it so? God didn't deny He is Buddha, does that make it so?

Are you trying to say that Christianity is a religion of lack of denial? As long as God didn't deny something, we should accept it?