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BMZ
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Zulqarnain, Jesus came into this world with the following prime message: "You shall worship only your One God and you shall worship that One God with all your hearts, your minds and your souls." (My quote showing the key message) The entire Law and the Universe revolve around this. Jesus did not come here to carry people's sins or anybody's sins. That is not what he taught himself openly and that was never his line of teaching. The philosophy of Sin being Wages of Death was introduced by the Church Juniors who became Church Elders later. It has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. Read the Bible carefully and you will not find Jesus teaching or talking anything about the Sin, the First Sin and the Original Sin and that he had to die for our sins or anybody's sin. God Almighty's Mercy and Compassion has been known to the mankind, even before the arrival and exit of Jesus. That Mercy and Compassion extends to everything. You will find this clear verse in Qur'aan. No soul shall bear the burdens of anyone. The already-burdened ones would not want to bear any additional burdens of their own kids, family and relatives. They will say,"I am already burdened, don't you see I am so over-loaded! You go and carry your own!". Edited by bmzsp |
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DavidC
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I said believe, not just say you believe. Hypocrites need not apply. |
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Patty
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BMZ said: "The philosophy of Sin being Wages of Death was introduced by the Church Juniors who became Church Elders later. It has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. Read the Bible carefully and you will not find Jesus teaching or talking anything about the Sin, the First Sin and the Original Sin and that he had to die for our sins or anybody's sin." Jesus said to them in John 8:32 �And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Verse 36 �Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. Jesus continued to give His disciples more information on His purpose for coming to earth. Mark 8:31: �And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again� John 12:23-25: �But Jesus answered them, saying, "The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified." Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain. "He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. There are many other Gospel verses spoken by Jesus, but these I believe point out the fact that Jesus did speak of the importance of His death for the redemption of our sins. God's Peace. Edited by Patty |
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zulqarnain
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Look everybody. I agree taht "Common sense" is man's tool of evaluating logically, and that Allah's Plans cannot be understood by human minds. The more we study of God's Plan, the more puzzles there are to solve. The educated Christians should eveluate their religion as far as their logic can reach. A word from Allah ceases to be His Word, if it is not compatible with modern times, for He knows the future. This verse from the Bible is a fabrication of an author.
Look now, you people have to admit, e.g. if you had to choose a religion and you are pretty well educated, you would choose the religion which is most logical and is compatible with modern times. I won't argu further, because it would deviate from the topic Every soul is responsible for it's own action, nobody can be held responsible for the other, even a follower of a teacher should analyze his teachings before he follows it. |
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And We have not sent you(O Muhammad!) but as a mercy to the worlds. (Al-Quran 21: 107)
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AnnieTwo
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Aren't we getting into the territory of which God are we speaking of? The one who lives on "Main Street" or the one who lives on "State Street?" How can Muslims claim to love or believe in Jesus as their beloved prophet when rejecting him as Messiah? The "son of God" as understood in first century Judaism was another title for the Messiah. Didn't Jesus say that unless we believe that he is the Messiah, we will die in our sins? If Allah says he doesn't have "sons" and YHVH claims that he does, are we worshipping the same God? And if we are not worshipping the same God then.... Annie |
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14If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 1 Peter 4
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AnnieTwo
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14If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 1 Peter 4
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Angela
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As far as I have learned, the Muslims do accept Jesus as the Messiah. Just not the Son of God, but a miraculous creation of God. They reject the notion that God needs a Son or that there is Salvation through a sacrifice by Proxy. The Messiah as in the Jewish Messiah was not the same as we Christians define the Messiah. But, Jesus is the Messiah in both Islam and Christianity with different definitions of what that means. They believe in Jesus, but deny his Divine Sonship. It comes down to trusting in Scriptures written between 20-100 years after the death and resurrection. Proof will come in time... Revelation 20:4 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Both the Muslims and the Christians believe Christ will return. We must have faith that when he does, he will put to rest any false teachings done in his name. |
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David, You might get something out of this article. http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/unpardonablesin.html It is why I disagreed with you. Annie |
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14If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 1 Peter 4
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