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Angela is christian, she mormon SORRY I do not consider MORMONS OR JEHOVAH WITNESSES CHRISTIAN. And neither do thousands of Evangelical christian churches. Mormons believe Jesus is the brother of SATAN. Sorry that is not my kind of church. Now I am really out of here lol |
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I am going to place ONE more comment Angel unless you are BORN AGAIN you will never see heaven according to JESUS own words. READ JOHN 3 and if you are NOT born again you are NOT a christian. I do not care how many times you claim to be a christian. Jesus said you must be born again. Just because you claim to be one does not make you one. That is why Jesus said what he said FOR MANY will come in MY name casting out demons and healing the sick and I will (meanin Jesus) will say DEPART FROM ME you workers of inquity for i NEVER new you. MANY people in todays world are claiming to be christians and they are NOT. They have no clue to what a true born again christian is. They use the label christian and go out and sleep with others, lie, cheat, all the same things they did before they claimed christianity. A christian cannot do those things and still claim to be CHRISTIAN. A christian is one CHANGED from the inside out and they do not do what they use to do. Now as far as I NEVER said anything about anyone on here becoming a christian as far as I am concerned you can do what you want. It is you're soul NOT mine that will find out in the end. I know I am on the right path and I know christianity is the truth and if that sounds proud then so be it because to me it sounds proud what you muslims do also claiming islam is the only way. That if I do not become muslim then I will go to hell fire. Well the same way you feel about you're religion is how I feel about mine. NOW BMZSP This is why I said cross reference must happen in order to understand the Bible. IF you went back to ISAIAH 9:6 this verse posted below is about JESUS. IF you notice he is called WONDERFUL, COUNSELOR, all mighty GOD, everylasting FATHER the prince of PEACE. NOW counselor was one of the GREEK WORDS FOR THE COMFORTER if you go back and look up the word comforter in the GREEK. Jesus was also considered a COUNSELOR and a COMFORTER to people while he was here on earth. HE was sending ANOTHER COUNSELOR like HIMSELF in SPIRIT form. He said he must leave earth so the COUNSELOR can come, so how can the COUNSELOR be mohammed when the Bible says that it came immediately after Jesus left earth and mohammed came almost 500 yrs later? See right there again it proves THE COMFORTER is not mohammed. He was 500 yrs to late. Now here is the verse
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Posted: 20 December 2006 at 1:55am |
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"I'm off for a break. I just came back home. Cheers, Angel.
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Angel
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Posted: 20 December 2006 at 12:26am |
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I'm off for a break.
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Angel
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Posted: 20 December 2006 at 12:23am |
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wow!
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Angel
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getting dizzy are ya? man! fine ismael was not an israelite due to his mother, but ismael is still part of Abraham and whatever Abrahman was, so are his sons, DON'T you forget that!! We have ismaelites and israelites, as you have said, which correspond to ismael and isaac, and yes Muhammed is from ismael, but ismael is from Abraham which makes Muhammed from the Abrahamic line. And no one here, i think, has denied really (from the bible) what God set out, no one has disputed that, what is being disputed is the "brethern" bit.
I accept the Holy Spirit but i'm not christian. so now what??
MANY non christians act Christ like! Jesus Christ came for ALL people. If christ means messiah, the word christian cannot mean christ like. Jesus never brought or claim christianity as a religion, as far as i know, what Jesus taught, he didn't prescribe any name to. Jesus was given the name Christ, it means messiah that is why we have Jesus Christ as his name. I understand why the term "christ-like" is refered to acting like Jesus, BUT it DOESN'T make the word/name Christian meaning Christ-like.
YOU are the only person that says that!! Edited by Angel |
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Dear Christian Lady, for a woman who is 47, don't you find your display slightly juvenile? Just a tad bit perhaps? Could you not learn to agree to disagree? Instead of taking the high handed approach that is very stereotypical of evangelical Christians, such that if there is a disagreement, then it is simply because the other party is not mature enough, not learned enough, untrained, or without the holy spirit for "true guidance", how about just leaving things be? I started at the beginnign of the thread with a sincere dialogue, not to change your faith, or talk you out of your faith, but to simply lay down my reasons for not accepting your faith. Unfortunately, it turned in to something else. As a Muslim, it is not upon me to talk someone out of their faith, or to use tricks or deceit to change someone's mind. I can only relay the message, and it is then between you and God. As far as your complaint that you need to find people who knows how to debate. Well, you do know that a debate consists of the usual rules of logic founded in critical thinking? This means that you cannot "assert" as proof, such as, "but the book of John says this and that, therefore my belief is true", or "but the bible says such and such". As far as I am concerned, I have abided by those rules (rhetoric/logic) in this informal setting to the best of my ability, so if you feel I have wronged you in terms of a debate, I ask you to point out my errors. I am not sure you can dismiss people with valid points due to immaturity or lack of education. I myself have graduate work in physics, with a four year background in physics and mathematics along with critical thinking and some philosophy, and a two year degree in biology, and I am currently working on upper level work in the medical field along with courses in Islam. I am in my early 30s, and I have also studied your "OT" to a great extent and even studied it at a synagogue in my teens during my exploration of my Jewish roots. I assure you that the Jews have a theology nearly the same as that of Islam, and they have derived it from the "OT". I had thought about the priesthood years ago, explored the Catholic church, studying with a priest for over a year, attended evangelical churches, Methodist churches, Baptist, etc. Finally, I find it a bit insulting, and disappointing, that you resort to a petty insult by accusing us who disagree with you as having learned our knowledge from Imams. Christian Lady, I have learned your faith from your own sources, and many of the Muslims here were Christians earlier in their lives. I challenge anyone to point out a single proposition I have made that is not based upon your own sources. It is troubling that you accuse us of learning your faith from Imams, when you have obvisouly never studied my faith, and in fact, you have used work that was origninally written by Silas (a Christian missionary/apologist/polemicist). I did not bring it up orignially out of courtesy to you and knowing you were not familiar with these kinds of discussions, I wanted to give you all courtesies and freedoms to explore the thread. I have read the piece you pasted here (on Deut 18) before, and it was the same verbatim. Unless you are Silas, or unless Silas took the work from you, I would say that so far you seem to be the one who is learning a faith from those who believe in it's anti-thesis. You are always welcome here and I wish you and your family a safe and fulfilling religous holiday. Forgive me if I have offended you in any way. Kindest Regards Edited by Andalus |
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Angel
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young, cannot debate, lol! What's your problem now?? You come to have a discussion, we are discussing and pointing out stuff while we discuss, that is what you want isn't it???, but you seem to push for your knowledge and that is all that matters, you think because you are christain, born again at that and you have the holy spirit YOU KNOW EVERYTHING?? excuse me but that is just plain agorance. You say that christians are christains because they act Christ-like many people act christ like and are not christians. Also i think it is wrong to imply that Jesus was for christians, when he only came to ALL people to teach the way, the truth and salvation to God. You say you hold a masters degree in bible well I pointed out that some scholars DON'T EVEN use the KJ bible for the excelsis degrees. Not once have you commented on what i brought about the KJ bible. And if you missed I am not muslim. And DavidC is christian And Angela is christian, she mormon And you are also speaking to people who have been christians for sometime before leaving christianity. And about Muhammed, I believe Israfil brought something, something with Amed which you never commented on. |
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