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    Posted: 11 June 2006 at 6:04pm
Not all Christian groups believe the descendents of Adam and Eve inherit orginal sin.
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I'm sorry if I didn't indicate that I thought it was funny I sometimes laugh and move on....
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Originally posted by schwester schwester wrote:

Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:


Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Poor Israfil had to wait 3 days for any reply.


Yes, poor Israfil indeed.  Not only pregnant and swollen with doubt but also unable to utilize the meditation of the Sacred Heart of Mary to assuage his suffering.



first, why poor? poor is not that who doesn't know, but that who doesn't try to know. i find it insulting. if so, then i should say that it doesn't suit any of religious people to talk such way .

and here is my thoughts on the topic of just SIN:
to me a sin is a deed which harms others or you in any way in the age when he/she can differ what harms and what doesn't harm others or you. and any newly born child is sinless because he/she cannot harm anyone in any way. insulting harms too, i should say.

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Please calm yourself.  Some of those here have known each other for years and are good friends.  David was just kidding with brother Israfil, whom I'm sure laughed when he saw the post.  DavidC is actually one of the few people here who's respectful to almost everyones beliefs no matter who they are.
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Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:

Schwester - Angel, Israfil and I have developed a mutually respectful relationship here for several years and we enjoy each other's company.  I do tease my friends from time to time, and try to keep the smiley's active to point that out to others who may not be in on the joke.
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Schwester - Angel, Israfil and I have developed a mutually respectful relationship here for several years and we enjoy each other's company.  I do tease my friends from time to time, and try to keep the smiley's active to point that out to others who may not be in on the joke.
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Well the immortality of the human soul would be an interesting discussion would it? From Angela' statement it appears that Mary was born like anyone else then....

DavidC...I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from when it comes to men who claim to be scholars.

Here is my idea of sin:

Sin to me is the "religious/spiritual term of transgression from the laws of God" I believe that the sins of the father cannot be inherited by the son. A father's transgression which is an individual act(s) is such that only the father is the inheritor of that sin. Since sin is intangible its guilt cannot be transmitted, inherited, or passed on as a guilt of some sort to other generations.



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Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:


Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Poor Israfil had to wait 3 days for any reply.


Yes, poor Israfil indeed.� Not only pregnant and swollen with doubt but also unable to utilize the meditation of the Sacred Heart of Mary to assuage his suffering.



first, why poor? poor is not that who doesn't know, but that who doesn't try to know. i find it insulting. if so, then i should say that it doesn't suit any of religious people to talk such way .

and here is my thoughts on the topic of just SIN:
to me a sin is a deed which harms others or you in any way in the age when he/she can differ what harms and what doesn't harm others or you. and any newly born child is sinless because he/she cannot harm anyone in any way. insulting harms too, i should say.

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Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

My further question (which was brought up by a statement here) is since sin cannot be scientifically proven to be in the blood and/physical compartments of the human body how is sin inherited? We surely cannot say death because if only humans sinned why do animals or any living creature suffer for what a human does for that matter? Surely animales suffer death the same as we do.

Actually, the debate between animals and men is a different subject.  Animals are intended for different purposes.  There is debate on the "immortal" soul of an animal.  However, since Animals are intended as a food source or a keeper of balance, their mortality was needed.  Man on the other hand is intended for immortality.  Through death and resurrection, we will be unending.....whether in heaven or hell.

Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

Also, I present the theory that isn't it possible that God could create Jesus in the womb of a sinner?

In fact, she was born like every other human being. The Holy Spirit prepared the Virgin Mary for her role as the Mother of God. She was filled with the Uncreated Energy of the Holy Spirit of God in order that she might be a worthy vessel for the birth of Christ. Nevertheless, several of the Fathers observed that before the Resurrection of her Son, she had sinned. St. John Chrysostom mentions the Wedding at Cana where she presumed to instruct Him (John 2:3-4). Here was proof of her mortality.

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