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i made a spelling mistake in the first line of the above post angel. here is the corrected line please read - 

also angel, i want to say that Allah has kept his signs and proofs in the creation of this universe itself.

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Originally posted by salman_s salman_s wrote:

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by salman_s salman_s wrote:

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So why wouldn't music be something to understanding the creator?

music is not the thing that should be used to understand the Creator (Allah). to understand the Creator, Allah has revealed the glorious Qur'an to the final prophet of Allah, that is, Prophet Muhammad (may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). The Qur'an is a book full of guidance to mankind from the Lord of the alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists).  and all of mankind has been ordered by Allah to believe in Allah, to worship Allah (alone), to believe in the Qur'an which has been revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and to follow the commandments of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Birds sing and make songs, which can be musical in itself, I guess birds aren't honouring the creator  

ofcourse , birds do celebrate the praises of their Creator (Allah). all that is in the heavens and on the earth and all that is between them celebrate the praises of their Creator. Allah is not in need of his creation, but the creation is in need of Allah.

The scriptures don't help me personally to understand the creator, give me science, give me creative stuff like music, the world around us, people and at this moment can't think of any more

Scriptures to me is only one part of so many things to understand the creator

angel, Allah has mentioned in the Qur'an that the life of this world is a comfort of illusion. this world is nothing. Allah has also revealed in the Qur'an in Chapter Ar-Rahman (The Most Gracious) Whatever is there, everything will perish! And the face of your Lord full of majesty and honour will remain forever ! Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye (both classes of jinn and men) deny ?       i don't remember the verse number.

so for understanding The Creator, don't go for worldly things. this life is temporary. for understanding the Creator, Allah has revealed the Qur'an to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and also Allah has also revealed in the Qur'an many scientific facts regarding the creation of universe how it was created, how it will decay, regarding life and death, regarding minute details of paradise and hell and many such other things which makes us ponder over the might and glory of Allah. angel, i suggest that you go through the translation of the Qur'an atleast once.    

 

also angel, i want to say that Allah has kept his signs and proofs in the creation of this verse itself. so yes you can understand the Creator by looking at this world, what he has created, but not by music, and music is a thing which creates the desire for this world, and we muslims have been told by Allah that you should have the desire for the hereafter as the life of the hereafter is everlasting whereas the present life is temporary as i have already mentioned above.

and ponder over Allah's creations by making reference to the Qur'an -

Allah says in the Qur'an how Allah has spread the earth for His creatures, and He has set the mountains firm, and He has given sleep to us as a rest, and how the night and day follow ach other, the night is when we rest, the day is when we work.

Allah says in the Qur'an in Chapter Ya-Sin  Neither the sun overtakes the moon nor the night outstrips the day. They all float in an orbit (by the will of Allah)      

Allah can be best understood by referring to His word and that is The Qur'an. so i really would want you to go through the translation of the Qur'an atleast once. insha Allah

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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by salman_s salman_s wrote:

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So why wouldn't music be something to understanding the creator?

music is not the thing that should be used to understand the Creator (Allah). to understand the Creator, Allah has revealed the glorious Qur'an to the final prophet of Allah, that is, Prophet Muhammad (may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). The Qur'an is a book full of guidance to mankind from the Lord of the alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists).  and all of mankind has been ordered by Allah to believe in Allah, to worship Allah (alone), to believe in the Qur'an which has been revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and to follow the commandments of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Birds sing and make songs, which can be musical in itself, I guess birds aren't honouring the creator  

ofcourse , birds do celebrate the praises of their Creator (Allah). all that is in the heavens and on the earth and all that is between them celebrate the praises of their Creator. Allah is not in need of his creation, but the creation is in need of Allah.

The scriptures don't help me personally to understand the creator, give me science, give me creative stuff like music, the world around us, people and at this moment can't think of any more

Scriptures to me is only one part of so many things to understand the creator

angel, Allah has mentioned in the Qur'an that the life of this world is a comfort of illusion. this world is nothing. Allah has also revealed in the Qur'an in Chapter Ar-Rahman (The Most Gracious) Whatever is there, everything will perish! And the face of your Lord full of majesty and honour will remain forever ! Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye (both classes of jinn and men) deny ?       i don't remember the verse number.

so for understanding The Creator, don't go for worldly things. this life is temporary. for understanding the Creator, Allah has revealed the Qur'an to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and also Allah has also revealed in the Qur'an many scientific facts regarding the creation of universe how it was created, how it will decay, regarding life and death, regarding minute details of paradise and hell and many such other things which makes us ponder over the might and glory of Allah. angel, i suggest that you go through the translation of the Qur'an atleast once.    

 

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Salaam All,

All scholars have unanimous view on the prohibition of all forms of singing and music that incites debauchery, indecency, or sin. As for musical instruments, given the weakness of the evidence indicating that they are forbidden, the rule to be applied here is the one states that all things are originally deemed permissible as long as there is no Shari`ah text that prohibits them.

Singing is no more than melodious words; if these are good, singing is considered good; but if they are bad, such singing is deemed bad. Talk that contains forbidden content is prohibited. What if that talk is accompanied with rhythm and melody?

Scholars agree on the permissibility of singing without instrumental accompaniment and where the content is not prohibited. This sort of singing is allowed only in certain occasions such as: weddings, feasts, welcoming a traveler, and the like. This is based on the hadith of the Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) that states: �He (peace and blessings be upon him) asked, �Have you given the girl (i.e., the bride) anything as a present?� They (the attendants) replied, �Yes.� He asked, 'Did you send a singer along with her?' 'No', said `A'ishah. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) then said, 'The Ansar are a people who love poetry. You should have sent along someone who would sing: Here we come, to you we come, greet us as we greet you.'" In this case, we can say that a woman can sing only in front of women and her non-marriageable male kin.

 

 

 

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Originally posted by salman_s salman_s wrote:

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

So why wouldn't music be something to understanding the creator?

music is not the thing that should be used to understand the Creator (Allah). to understand the Creator, Allah has revealed the glorious Qur'an to the final prophet of Allah, that is, Prophet Muhammad (may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). The Qur'an is a book full of guidance to mankind from the Lord of the alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists).  and all of mankind has been ordered by Allah to believe in Allah, to worship Allah (alone), to believe in the Qur'an which has been revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and to follow the commandments of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Birds sing and make songs, which can be musical in itself, I guess birds aren't honouring the creator  

ofcourse , birds do celebrate the praises of their Creator (Allah). all that is in the heavens and on the earth and all that is between them celebrate the praises of their Creator. Allah is not in need of his creation, but the creation is in need of Allah.

You contradicted yourself Salman.

I'm more inclined with your second paragraph

The scriptures don't help me personally to understand the creator, give me science, give me creative stuff like music, the world around us, people and at this moment can't think of any more

Scriptures to me is only one part of so many things to understand the creator

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Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

Who says God God gave us talent for music?

By the fact that God is the artisan of the human body....By the fact that he created eveything, every element, every mineral on earth every class of metal. With that said our brains function in accordance to the environement so I think this allows us to develope talents. such as Jazz artist who can make music out of tin or other musicians who make music out of wood sticks etc..

you are being too scientific israfil.

Allah did not order mankind to use his talent for creating music.

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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

So why wouldn't music be something to understanding the creator?

music is not the thing that should be used to understand the Creator (Allah). to understand the Creator, Allah has revealed the glorious Qur'an to the final prophet of Allah, that is, Prophet Muhammad (may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). The Qur'an is a book full of guidance to mankind from the Lord of the alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists).  and all of mankind has been ordered by Allah to believe in Allah, to worship Allah (alone), to believe in the Qur'an which has been revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and to follow the commandments of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Birds sing and make songs, which can be musical in itself, I guess birds aren't honouring the creator  

ofcourse , birds do celebrate the praises of their Creator (Allah). all that is in the heavens and on the earth and all that is between them celebrate the praises of their Creator. Allah is not in need of his creation, but the creation is in need of Allah.

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I recall an old ABBA song

Thank you for the music, the songs i'm singing
Thanks for all the joy they're bringing
Who can live without it, i ask in all honesty
What would life be?
Without a song or a dance what are we?
So i say thank you for the music
For giving it to me

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