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sister amah, not all women are forced and tortured into the profession. some of the women accept the profession themselves without anybody's forcing or torturing. some women think that this is the easiest means of earning money, so they start their owm business. such women earn money by illegal ways. isn't this satanic? men are bound to slip when women seduce men in such ways. but it is every muslim's duty not to follow the footsteps of shaytan but to follow the commandments of Allah. may Allah guide us muslims to the straight path. aameen. 
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Originally posted by amah amah wrote:

Flesh trade is no doubt sick. Women are tortured and forced into it, what's the men's excuse????

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Sister Amah,

Don't you see that when you say that women are to blame fbecause of what they wear for what men do, for men harrassing them in the other thread that it applies here?  A man saw a woman dressed in a sexy jilbab and scarf (made of silk with some glitter in it maybe) and felt it was his right to attack her.  Her family won't have her anymore because the woman often gets blamed for the attack (what did she do to cause it?).  She becomes a prostitute as a result of being raped and rejected by her family because as an uneducated outcast, noone will protect her at all anymore because she is not a virgin anymore and thus impure.  It doesn't matter, in these twisted minds, what happens to an "impure" woman.

The women don't have respect for themselves or the abilty to raise their social positions and are trapped in a career they never imagined for themselves as trusting, beautiful children.  And they themselves might be thinking:  If only I had worn a plain hijab that day, or if only I hadn't been trying to impress the other girls at school and worn a silk hijab or if only I hadn't put make up on or if only I hadn't worn a tight shirt.

We need to let all people know that purity is from Allah, SWT, and it is renewable.  The only way we can stand behind women and children and men who have been abused and labled is to stop blaming them when they did nothing wrong.  And the prostitutes who at some point make the active decision to whore themselves need to be accepted into society so that they can live lives dedicated to loving Allah.

Think about it.  What if a former prostitute came on this forum and asked for our love?  How long would it be before people attacked her lack of impurity, according to them?  How would we relate to her?  I think that according to the blame the victim mentality she wouldn't last very long among us pious people.

And she never deserved it just because of the way she dressed.



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Originally posted by salman salman wrote:

sister amah, not all women are forced and tortured into the profession. some of the women accept the profession themselves without anybody's forcing or torturing. some women think that this is the easiest means of earning money, so they start their owm business. such women earn money by illegal ways. isn't this satanic? men are bound to slip when women seduce men in such ways. but it is every muslim's duty not to follow the footsteps of shaytan but to follow the commandments of Allah. may Allah guide us muslims to the straight path. aameen. 

There is a simple rule of economics that if there is a demand the supply will follow.

Cut the demand first. Supply will eventually dry out.

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Fornication is disgusting therefore Quran is strict on this issue.

The punsihment other than physical is their social banishment 

Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden. [24:3]

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Sister herjihad, please read my new post in the other thread. You are not understanding me, (maybe that is my shortcoming.)

How can you blame a woman who is forced?

anywayz.......
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Originally posted by amah amah wrote:


How can you blame a woman who is forced?

anywayz.......

sister amah, then why are you asking us men an excuse? do you think it is the men who force women into such professions? then you are mistaken. majority of them are women who force and torture other women into this profession. men just get slipped into the trap when a women seduces a man in such a way. most women sell their girls to this profession. now can you women give an excuse???

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sister amah, then why are you asking us men an excuse? do you think it is the men who force women into such professions? then you are mistaken. majority of them are women who force and torture other women into this profession.

it is all about blaming women again. Please, please read about the world-wide trafficking of women. Is this your profession to study the trafficking of women and girls (and young boys too)? Did you know that cross-country selling of women and children is the 2nd largest illegal industry after narcotics? It is big business. And women are not running the show.

most women sell their girls to this profession. now can you women give an excuse???

As the fact that many countries are patriarchal, the men rule the household, this could not possibly be true.

men just get slipped into the trap when a women seduces a man in such a way. Men do not �fall into a trap.� What are they doing in a brothel in the first place? Come on�. Then men give their wives HIV, NOT the other way around. Then still cheat on her and sleep with her again, she gets prgnant and unless she takes expensive drugs, she'll pass it onto her children. We are not talking about giving someone a wart, this destroys people and their children. This is how the majority of African and Asian women are infected.

AIDS/HIV will spread all over the world. Probably less so than in Moslem societies as �open sex� is not accepted. But it is there and will spread, probably not at the rates as other places such as India.

Interesting there are people immune from HIV / AIDS. They are actually the descendents of those who survived the black death in Europe centuries ago. They actually have a mutant gene that does not allow the virus to enter the cells. Fascinating stuff, science is.



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Originally posted by Hayfa Hayfa wrote:

Interesting there are people immune from HIV / AIDS. They are actually the descendents of those who survived the black death in Europe centuries ago. They actually have a mutant gene that does not allow the virus to enter the cells. Fascinating stuff, science is.



I did not know this! Can you give me some reference pls?
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Originally posted by salman salman wrote:

sister amah, then why are you asking us men an excuse? do you think it is the men who force women into such professions? then you are mistaken. majority of them are women who force and torture other women into this profession. men just get slipped into the trap when a women seduces a man in such a way. most women sell their girls to this profession. now can you women give an excuse???



Dear brother, how naive you are! I do agree there are women who force women at times, but who brought those women in the first place? Once their life is set in prostitution, some women carry on, bring others into it...while others don't.  Most women would like to get out of it.

If men would not visit brothels and hire call-girls, this business would go kaput! Why don't men marry women of choice and remain faithful, if they desire more...(and many men do) they can marry upto four times subhanallah, so much freedom Allah gave, still muslim men don't do that and go to prostitutes. Regd, nonmuslims I cannot say the same thing ofcourse. Theirs is a different story..dont want to comment on that...

How can you say a man is innocent if he visits brothels of his own free will and sleep with any woman?? Do you know what a woman has to suffer here, physical torture, humiliation, she is ripped off her dignity. Men who go to prostitutes are sick. of course women who do this willingly are sick, but tell me how many women would like to do this as choice? Every woman wants a loving man who will take care of her.

If  men started respecting women more, it will be easy brother, whenever there is war, you know who suffers the most? and how?

If women do something wrong, they must take responsibility, as far as prostitution is concerned, men are responsible. Allah knows best.

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