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   from todays Star:
 http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/4/27/nat ion/1 4074076&sec=nation
"Muslims who skip Friday prayers can be punished
KOTA BARU: Skipping Friday prayers is a major sin for Muslims and it is punishable under the state�s Syariah laws, said Kelantan Bar Committee chairman Datuk Wan Harun Shukri Noordin.  
Therefore, Muslims in the state must remember that Friday prayers are compulsory, otherwise they can be jailed or fined by the religious authorities, he said yesterday.  
He was commenting on a recent case in which a Muslim man was fined by the Syariah Court here for not attending the weekly prayers.   
Wan Harun said Syariah laws may differ slightly between the various states and their religious councils, but skipping Friday prayers was a clear offence in Kelantan and this rule applied to all Muslims working or residing in the state.  
State Local Government Committee chairman Takiyuddin Hassan said all states had similar legislation stating that it was an offence not to attend Friday prayers, but in Kelantan, the enforcement was more orderly.  
That was the reason why the man was hauled to court for not going to the mosque on a Friday, he said."  

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fredifreeloader Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 17 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 456	Post Options Post Reply Quote fredifreeloader Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: no compulsion - the latest...... Posted: 27 April 2006 at 8:02am
	from todays *Star:* http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/4/27/nat ion/1 4074076&sec=nation "Muslims who skip Friday prayers can be punished KOTA BARU: Skipping Friday prayers is a major sin for Muslims and it is punishable under the state�s Syariah laws, said Kelantan Bar Committee chairman Datuk Wan Harun Shukri Noordin. Therefore, Muslims in the state must remember that Friday prayers are compulsory, otherwise they can be jailed or fined by the religious authorities, he said yesterday. He was commenting on a recent case in which a Muslim man was fined by the Syariah Court here for not attending the weekly prayers. Wan Harun said Syariah laws may differ slightly between the various states and their religious councils, but skipping Friday prayers was a clear offence in Kelantan and this rule applied to all Muslims working or residing in the state. State Local Government Committee chairman Takiyuddin Hassan said all states had similar legislation stating that it was an offence not to attend Friday prayers, but in Kelantan, the enforcement was more orderly. That was the reason why the man was hauled to court for not going to the mosque on a Friday, he said." Edited by fredifreeloader
	for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16

herjihad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 26 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2473	Post Options Post Reply Quote herjihad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 April 2006 at 8:19am
	Bismillah, Muslim men, fred. This seems to be in Malaysia. Laws in different countries are very interesting to me. What do you guys think? Would you like to see sharia implemented in this way in Canada or US?
	Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.

fredifreeloader Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 17 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 456	Post Options Post Reply Quote fredifreeloader Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 April 2006 at 8:41am
	*herjihad* - it is malaysia, i should have specified this. i am actually in scotland, so it will be up to canadians and americans to decide what they want. i would utterly oppose any hint of sharia law being implemented in any way here
	for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16

Servetus Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 04 April 2001 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2109	Post Options Post Reply Quote Servetus Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 April 2006 at 11:07am
	For more details, and to satisfy my own curiosity, I clicked on the link but the story wouldn�t load. I would guess that this punishment for not attending Friday prayers is coming from the Wahhabist, which is to say, �puritanical� strain, or sect, of Islam (with its Saudi-modeled mutawah, or religious police, and all that). At any rate, this reminds me of those Christian �Puritan� colonialists (of America) who made church attendance mandatory, and, for that matter, of John Calvin�s theocratic Geneva, which apparently and at times did the same thing. Extraordinary, what was historically done with this: �And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. [bold emphasis mine]� (Luke 14:23) Servetus

Mishmish Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 01 November 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1694	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mishmish Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 April 2006 at 2:35pm
	http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Religious-right-wins-abo rtion-victory/2004/11/24/1101219614210.html http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/24/elec04.prez.bush.m arriage/ http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/03/airforce.religion/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03 /12/AR2006031200994.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns And let's not forget how the U.K. NEVER, EVER used compulsion against anyone anywhere about anything. Heck, we need only look at the peace and contentment between Ireland and England to see how that works...
	It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)

BMZ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 03 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1852	Post Options Post Reply Quote BMZ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 April 2006 at 6:11pm
	herjihad wote: "This seems to be in Malaysia." herjihad, it is only happening in the State of Kelantan in Malaysia, where the State Government is formed by a Malaysian Islamic Party. There is no compulsion in the other states of Malaysia.

BMZ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 03 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1852	Post Options Post Reply Quote BMZ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 April 2006 at 6:18pm
	�And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. [bold emphasis mine]� (Luke 14:23) Serv, What a great and bold emphasis! Thanks for above and I agree with your bold emphasis. Do I have your permission to quote above elsewhere?

Servetus Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 04 April 2001 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2109	Post Options Post Reply Quote Servetus Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 April 2006 at 6:35pm
	Cheers, BMZ, �There is no compulsion in the other states of Malaysia.� �� Do I have your [Servetus's] permission to quote above elsewhere?� Permission granted, of course, but please do be advised that St. Luke�s Gospel has been in the public domain for roughly 2000 years and I didn�t get permission from anyone before I quoted it. That said, I am not joking when I say that extraordinary things were historically done, or implemented, with this quote in mind, and one need only Google search, e.g., �St. Augustine,� �City of God,� and �compel them to come in� for proof of that. Best regards, Serv