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zulqarnain
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And this challenge is not to rebel against the christians or to incite hatred, but to clear the misconceptions.
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zulqarnain
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I want to challenge anyone, who can take out any scientific contradictions in the Quraan. This challenge is especially for the "Freeloader" for his arrogance.
There aren't ANY contradictions in the Quraan, except from mistranslation, misqoutation-quoting out of context, misunderstanding and not analyzing the Quraan as a whole, as it completes it's topics not in one go, but in several different chapters,e.g. some mentioned in chapter 10, the continuaTION MIGHT BE IN CHAPTER 39. |
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Angela
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I was surfing the web on the Gospel of Judas and came upon the National Geographical Societies website. There is a ton of information on this site including the ability to view the text in English and Coptic. Now, the Gospel of Judas was written 150 years after Judas Iscariot lived. Therefore, falling under the same theory most Muslims hold about the questionability of the Gospels.....I would say this is definitely on that track. http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/index.html The timeline is very interesting, showing when Gospels were written and chosen. |
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Servetus
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(George) �That's a great picture. Where did you get it?� It is otherwise known as the historical �shield of the Trinity� and was posted, or linked, in this thread as well: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4518& ;PN=1&TPN=4 Servetus |
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fredifreeloader
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i meant "before they realised that the sky could not fall on the earth"
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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zulqarnain
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What do you mean by the "nonsense of it was demonstrated" |
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zulqarnain
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Dayem, There's no direct number of Dr.Zakir Naik. He will be contacted indirectly through the number provided in the website: www.irf.net. Why don't you go to "Contact Us" link on that webpage?
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Andalus
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Greetings George. I will make some comments below. I apologize if my tone seems abrupt and unfeeling or unfriendly. I must write quickly due to finals, work, and the rest of life. I have no malice or attitude of insult in my intention or in my words. Peace
Christianity was never a single "homogenous" belief system, but was made up of differing groups with ideas about the very nature of Jesus that were in conflict. The "proto-orthodox" won, not because they were right, but because of circumstance. The fact that so many differing views existed into the third and fourth century tells me that none one actually had a legitimate claim to the historical Jesus or even to his message. The group you inherited your beliefs from also commited piouse fraud with the MSS. It was not just the groups whom you consider to be heritics.
You are repeating the common line. The common reply to the piouse fraud commited by "Holy Ghost" filled Christians to their own MSS about "it does not effect Christian doctrine" is a bit of a "strawman". Here is an analogy. You are being put on trial for "such and such thing". You and your counselor find out that the prosecutor is using evidence that has been tampered with. Your counselor takes this information to the judge showing that the prosecutor's evidence has been tampered with. The prosecutor looks suprised that you and your counselor are complaining and is mystified that you have a problem with his evidence. The prosecutor tells you and the judge, "Sure, it was tampered with, but it was our witnesses that did the tampering so what's the problem!?". I am sure you would not agree. This is what you are asking us all to accept. 1) The proto orthodox chose the gospel account narratives amongst hundreds in existence with "presumptions" in their mind that they superimposed onto their quest for "official gospels". These presumptions were never proven, nor did they ever have any actual document or offical "tradition" that provided them with any bases to make a real claim about Jesus. 2) They (proto-orthodox) and the myriad of groups who all had claims of authenticity about Jesus, yet remained in conflict with one another, each fudged the accounts (MS) in order to dress them up so that they might reflect their own theolgical "supposition". The fact that they had to resort to piouse fraud by "dressing up" their "word of Gd" proves they had nothing substantial or concrete to go on to prove their own claims. 3) Your "24,000" copy number does not reflect the entire picture. Copies of copies of copies, much of which come from after 5 CE in no way validates any claim that the NT you have in your hands is true account of Jesus. The fact that pious fraud took place in both the choosing of the narrative accounts and the "creative editing" that took place afterwords by various sects is proof. The fact that 3 centuries after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus, various groups were at a stand still in theolgical debate and had to resort to MS "editing" to help bolster their theological beliefs against their rivals, tells me that a lot of people had a lot of different beliefs but did not really know anything particular or historical. Just my observation.
Yes, and his student, now a major scholar Bart Ehrman has put forth even more evidence that is antithetical to the evangelcial claims. And he is also a Christian. And that Christians still are having to debate and research the idea of a true "NT", after 2000 years, tells me that your doctors still do not actually know. This is why I praise Allah for His final message, and His Servant, the best of man, His Prophet and Messenger, Muhammad, may Allah grant him peace and blessings, and his family. I pray that Allah guides the millions of wonderful Christians, many of whom devote themselves to Gd and to doing good. Peace |
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