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Essentially, everything that happens in this world is with the permission of God or the will of God, as we can see in everyday life.
The very basic difference between the messengers of God and the leaders other than them is: the Apostles brought the religious principle of God through the angel even they can directly hear the voice of their God like Prophet Ibrahim, Moses and other Apostles, while other leaders may not be able like that, other leaders are only given the ability, personal charismatic, and strong influence that can lead many people.

MIAW wrote: 2Acts wrote: How come there are no decent universities in Muslim countries... ? The west has seen to that. What you call 'Muslim countries' have been under military occupation and colonialism from western countries for centuries. Nowadays they are mostly run by dictators and puppets of the west. However there was a time when the west was living in the dark ages... a time when if anyone in Europe for example uttered a word about science they would be accused of witchcraft and burnt at the stakes... a time when the Church was the absolute authority in charge... this was also when there was no other universities other than in Muslim land. So much so that western rulers and kings used to send their sons and daughters to study in Muslim universities. Example: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TPHP4U9BLEEPSNS8R/george-ii-king-of-england-letter-to-muslim-ruler-b see also: http://mvslim.com/inspiring-muslim-women-fatima-al-fihr/ 2Acts wrote: ...no decent science comes from Islam ? When Islam first came, the Arabs were warring tribes of Bedouins. Thanks to Islam, and within 30 years, the same people were teaching the world all fields of Science, Technology and Knowledge. They had turned into a civilisation that would brighten the world with knowledge for almost 8 centuries: The longest civilisation in Human History so far today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world http://www.islamicity.org/5580/science-and-scholarship-in-al-andalus/ http://www.islamicspain.tv/Arts-and-Science/science_in_al-andalus.htm What happened then? Apart from being colonized and occupied, many Muslims (including some of their later rulers) strayed away from the original message of Islam, and started indulging in life pleasures...and you know the rest. I hope this answers you query. MIAW

This is just the usual Muslim blame game. Its time Muslims wake up and take responsibility for their own failings. Western colonialism brought the benefits of law and order and peace, prosperity, trade, modern agriculture, education, medicine, technology, democracy, new trade markets and Islam being introduced to the modern world.

If you want to blame the West for your �puppet dictators� why stop with the west. Why not blame your Ottoman Muslim cousins who did nothing to develop the Muslim world politically?

That�s true about the European Dark Ages but what you forget is the advanced European classical civilisation that preceeded the Dark Ages. Also I think you will find the �dark ages� were not a �dark� as you think. . And what else is true is that the west was able to reform. This is not the case with the Muslim world which still lives in the medieval world today. Islams apostasy laws have got a lot to answer for.

And what foundations contributed the the �Muslim Golden Age�? It was the non Muslim civilisations of Persian, Greece and Rome. And the �Muslim Golden Age was centuries ago. What has Islam provided to humanity over the last few centuries ?

You say Islam is the oldest civilisation in human history. Really ? What about China and Confucianism / Buddhism, Indian Hinduism and the Christian world? All of theses are far older than Islam.


Edited by 2Acts - 31 January 2018 at 7:03pm

2Acts wrote: MIAW wrote: ...They had turned into a civilisation that would brighten the world with knowledge for almost 8 centuries: The longest civilisation in Human History so far today. MIAW ... You say Islam is the oldest civilisation in human history. Really ? What about China and Confucianism / Buddhism, Indian Hinduism and the Christian world? All of theses are far older than Islam.

Hi 2Acts,

I shall be replying to your posts later (sorry,no time at the moment). However, there is just one point that is URGENT and cannot wait:

Just a word of advice: Quickly! Take a trip down to 'Specsavers' before the January Sales end!    

You would see above that I did not say 'oldest'. I said 'longest'; as in 'how long it spanned'.

MIAW




Edited by MIAW - 01 February 2018 at 12:42am

2Acts wrote: asep garut wrote: Essentially, everything that happens in this world is with the permission of God or the will of God, as we can see in everyday life.The very basic difference between the messengers of God and the leaders other than them is: the Apostles brought the religious principle of God through the angel even they can directly hear the voice of their God like Prophet Ibrahim, Moses and other Apostles, while other leaders may not be able like that, other leaders are only given the ability, personal charismatic, and strong influence that can lead many people. What about Satan ?

The word "Satan" comes from the word "Syatona" which means "far away", or "far from Allah's grace."

According to the term, satan is a creature that breaks Allah's law and transcends the limits of Allah's provision, whether they are group of the jinn or the humans, and any behavior in the form of ugliness and evil is attributed to him.

Satan is a creature of Allah who always follows humans. He is the most dangerous enemy to mankind. He holds a grudge against all the descendants of Adam. Satan is always trying to mislead the descendants of Adam so that many humans are affected by his seduction.

It is rare for mankind to speak of this one enemy, even though satan is the most eager to destroy mankind.