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    Posted: 05 January 2018 at 11:00pm
There are 3 ways we can know who Jesus is :

1 – Who he said he is

2 – Who his disciples said he is, and

3 – Who other people said he is

The first priority and most reliable source, of course, would be ‘who Jesus himself said he is’. ‘Who his disciples said he is’ and ‘who other people said he is’ can only be taken as reliable sources if they are in agreement with ‘who Jesus said he is’.

Consider the conversation between Jesus and his disciples - ‘Jesus and his disciples went on to the villages around Caesarea Philippi. On the way he asked them, “Who do people say I am?” They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, one of the prophets.” “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Peter answered, “You are the Messiah.” Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about him.’ – Mark 8:27-30

From the above, we knew that none of the people (including his own disciples) in Jesus’ lifetime ever believed Jesus is God. They (the Jewish folks in his lifetime), however, believed Jesus is a reincarnation of a previous prophet. When Jesus asked his disciples who they believed he is, Peter correctly answered, “You are the Messiah” or in some Bible translations, “You are the Christ”.

But what does “Christ/Messiah” really mean ? “Christ” came from the Latin word “Christos” while “Messiah” came from the Hebrew word “Mashiyach” and both means “anointed”, thus, “Christ/Messiah” simply means “the anointed”. The Greek root of the word (christos) is “chrio”, which literally means to anoint or be blessed to which, within the context of the scriptures, we understand this to be ‘be blessed by God’. Thus, the title “Christ” or “Messiah” simply refer to someone who is blessed and selected (or chosen) by God to serve and represent Him. The basis of this understanding can be found in the OT where it describes God anointing those who would serve and represent Him. In other words, one who represents God would certainly refer back to Him and not to himself. This is confirmed by the phrase “Blessed is he who comes in the Name of the Lord” which is used in the OT to mean service to God was said to be done in the Name of God. As such, the title “Christ” would be appropriately translated to “Anointed by God” or “God’s representative” and 'Jesus Christ' would be appropriately translated to “Jesus, Anointed by God” or “Jesus, God’s representative”.

So, when Peter said to Jesus “You are the Messiah”, it became clear that Jesus’ close disciples accepted Jesus as God’s anointed(Christ/Messiah) one, but the other people did not. The Jews were not willing to accept Jesus as God’s anointed one and a representative of God and so, they eventually plot to kill him by framing him for blasphemy, a crime which Jesus denied. By denying the blasphemy charge, Jesus is clearly saying he is NOT God.
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Quote asep garut Replybullet Posted: 15 January 2018 at 11:13pm
Originally posted by JerryMyers

There are 3 ways we can know who Jesus is :

1 – Who he said he is

2 – Who his disciples said he is, and

3 – Who other people said he is

The first priority and most reliable source, of course, would be ‘who Jesus himself said he is’. ‘Who his disciples said he is’ and ‘who other people said he is’ can only be taken as reliable sources if they are in agreement with ‘who Jesus said he is’.

Consider the conversation between Jesus and his disciples - ‘Jesus and his disciples went on to the villages around Caesarea Philippi. On the way he asked them, “Who do people say I am?” They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, one of the prophets.” “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Peter answered, “You are the Messiah.” Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about him.’ – Mark 8:27-30

From the above, we knew that none of the people (including his own disciples) in Jesus’ lifetime ever believed Jesus is God. They (the Jewish folks in his lifetime), however, believed Jesus is a reincarnation of a previous prophet. When Jesus asked his disciples who they believed he is, Peter correctly answered, “You are the Messiah” or in some Bible translations, “You are the Christ”.

But what does “Christ/Messiah” really mean ? “Christ” came from the Latin word “Christos” while “Messiah” came from the Hebrew word “Mashiyach” and both means “anointed”, thus, “Christ/Messiah” simply means “the anointed”. The Greek root of the word (christos) is “chrio”, which literally means to anoint or be blessed to which, within the context of the scriptures, we understand this to be ‘be blessed by God’. Thus, the title “Christ” or “Messiah” simply refer to someone who is blessed and selected (or chosen) by God to serve and represent Him. The basis of this understanding can be found in the OT where it describes God anointing those who would serve and represent Him. In other words, one who represents God would certainly refer back to Him and not to himself. This is confirmed by the phrase “Blessed is he who comes in the Name of the Lord” which is used in the OT to mean service to God was said to be done in the Name of God. As such, the title “Christ” would be appropriately translated to “Anointed by God” or “God’s representative” and 'Jesus Christ' would be appropriately translated to “Jesus, Anointed by God” or “Jesus, God’s representative”.

So, when Peter said to Jesus “You are the Messiah”, it became clear that Jesus’ close disciples accepted Jesus as God’s anointed(Christ/Messiah) one, but the other people did not. The Jews were not willing to accept Jesus as God’s anointed one and a representative of God and so, they eventually plot to kill him by framing him for blasphemy, a crime which Jesus denied. By denying the blasphemy charge, Jesus is clearly saying he is NOT God.

JerryMyers,

In the Islamic belief that besides Jesus is not God also he has not died until now, but he was raised to the heavens by Gabriel by the command of Allah, as in the words of Allah 4: 157 and 158.

Even the Prophet Muhammad has informed that Jesus will descend back into the world to rectify the monotheistic religion that God has given to all His Apostles.

Asep Garut.

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