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MIAW
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Posted: 13 March 2018 at 1:13am |
Tim the plumber wrote:
... So is it OK for me not to follow Islam?... |
Of course! The Qur'an tells us (in many, many places) that it's all about choice... the choice is entirely yours.
Ah... but... it's like everything else in life Tim...
The choice is definitely yours... but the consequences aren't!
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Posted: 14 March 2018 at 12:57am |
asep garut wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
asep garut wrote:
akthus wrote:
Religion should be a personal choice.
How someone dresses is their personal choice.
Personal freedom should never be taken away and the Saudi model is not a desirable way to live.
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Yes ... in embracing a religion there is no
compulsion, and in this world there will be many religions, we can not reject
it because it is a sunnatullah (a will of Allah).
Islamic teachings are not just for a nation or
middle eastern person, but for rahmatan lil 'alamin for whoever wants to follow
it. For example, I am a Muslim not from the Middle East, which I follow not
because of the performance of the clothing or the material model, but what I
follow is Allah's command to cover the aurat (nakedness) and that has been
spoken by His Prophet.
There are many ways and models to cover aurat in
accordance with personal desires but not against Islamic sharia.
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So is it OK for me not to follow Islam?
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yes .... because there is no compulsion to be a Muslim as in His word. The duty of Muslims is only to convey the truth of Allah's teaching and the result is only Allah who has "Hidayah" (guidance)
| How about all those exMuslims who get killed for leaving Islam?
Why do they not get freedom of choice?
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Posted: 15 March 2018 at 12:36pm |
I was born in to a Muslim family and for most of my adult life believed and took at face value what was taught and said about Islam. However when I started to question my birth religion people ignored the uncomfortable truths. For instance as a Muslim you have to accept that the Koran came from God with an angel transmitting this to Mohammed. You also have to accept Muhammad was a prophet. But there is no evidence that these things can be taken as fact. There are no witnesses who confirmed Muhammad met an angel or indeed if it was an angel. And the person who relayed the message was Muhammad. So the whole religion is based on whether a single human being is telling the truth.
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Posted: 16 March 2018 at 4:55am |
I'm a middle eastern Christian and I believe the West is missing it's faith I believe most countries of the Middle East need less Islam in them and the West needs less decadence. I hold Greece the the example all Western countries should follow. Secular yet still based on Christian principles just as America once was before it turned into this decadent society of the modern world. Where is your cross America?
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Posted: 16 March 2018 at 11:11am |
Al Masihi wrote:
I'm a middle eastern Christian and I believe the West is missing it's faith I believe most countries of the Middle East need less Islam in them and the West needs less decadence. I hold Greece the the example all Western countries should follow. Secular yet still based on Christian principles just as America once was before it turned into this decadent society of the modern world. Where is your cross America? | I live in the UK. One of the least religious societies in the world.
We consistently produce far more science innovation, cultural works and international influence of all sorts than our population size and economy would imply.
I think that the two are not unrelated.
How do you think that the UK would benefit from more religion?
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asep garut
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Posted: 19 March 2018 at 6:24am |
Tim the plumber wrote:
asep garut wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
asep garut wrote:
akthus wrote:
Religion should be a personal choice.
How someone dresses is their personal choice.
Personal freedom should never be taken away and the Saudi model is not a desirable way to live.
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Yes ... in embracing a religion there is no
compulsion, and in this world there will be many religions, we can not reject
it because it is a sunnatullah (a will of Allah).
Islamic teachings are not just for a nation or
middle eastern person, but for rahmatan lil 'alamin for whoever wants to follow
it. For example, I am a Muslim not from the Middle East, which I follow not
because of the performance of the clothing or the material model, but what I
follow is Allah's command to cover the aurat (nakedness) and that has been
spoken by His Prophet.
There are many ways and models to cover aurat in
accordance with personal desires but not against Islamic sharia.
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So is it OK for me not to follow Islam?
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yes .... because there is no compulsion to be a Muslim as in His word. The duty of Muslims is only to convey the truth of Allah's teaching and the result is only Allah who has "Hidayah" (guidance)
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How about all those exMuslims who get killed for leaving Islam?
Why do they not get freedom of choice?
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From where you can say
like that ?, Qur'an, Hadith saheeh or other sources? Thanks.
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Tim the plumber
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Posted: 19 March 2018 at 10:33am |
asep garut wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
asep garut wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
asep garut wrote:
akthus wrote:
Religion should be a personal choice.
How someone dresses is their personal choice.
Personal freedom should never be taken away and the Saudi model is not a desirable way to live.
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Yes ... in embracing a religion there is no
compulsion, and in this world there will be many religions, we can not reject
it because it is a sunnatullah (a will of Allah).
Islamic teachings are not just for a nation or
middle eastern person, but for rahmatan lil 'alamin for whoever wants to follow
it. For example, I am a Muslim not from the Middle East, which I follow not
because of the performance of the clothing or the material model, but what I
follow is Allah's command to cover the aurat (nakedness) and that has been
spoken by His Prophet.
There are many ways and models to cover aurat in
accordance with personal desires but not against Islamic sharia.
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So is it OK for me not to follow Islam?
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yes .... because there is no compulsion to be a Muslim as in His word. The duty of Muslims is only to convey the truth of Allah's teaching and the result is only Allah who has "Hidayah" (guidance)
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How about all those exMuslims who get killed for leaving Islam?
Why do they not get freedom of choice?
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From where you can say
like that ?, Qur'an, Hadith saheeh or other sources? Thanks.
| Well these countries punish leaving Islam with death;https://www.indy100.com/article/the-countries-where-apostasy-is-punishable-by-death--Z110j2Uwxb
Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan,
Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen are
the relevant countries. | And groups such as these take the job into their own hands;http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/australian-muslim-group-death-to-those-who-leave-islam/news-story/1c7bd7ae92533a4cb04bbfe6c4f97371
AUSTRALIAN MUSLIM GROUP: DEATH TO THOSE WHO LEAVE ISLAM |
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asep garut
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Posted: 19 March 2018 at 4:45pm |
Tim the plumber wrote:
asep garut wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
asep garut wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
asep garut wrote:
akthus wrote:
Religion should be a personal choice.
How someone dresses is their personal choice.
Personal freedom should never be taken away and the Saudi model is not a desirable way to live.
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Yes ... in embracing a religion there is no
compulsion, and in this world there will be many religions, we can not reject
it because it is a sunnatullah (a will of Allah).
Islamic teachings are not just for a nation or
middle eastern person, but for rahmatan lil 'alamin for whoever wants to follow
it. For example, I am a Muslim not from the Middle East, which I follow not
because of the performance of the clothing or the material model, but what I
follow is Allah's command to cover the aurat (nakedness) and that has been
spoken by His Prophet.
There are many ways and models to cover aurat in
accordance with personal desires but not against Islamic sharia.
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So is it OK for me not to follow Islam?
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yes .... because there is no compulsion to be a Muslim as in His word. The duty of Muslims is only to convey the truth of Allah's teaching and the result is only Allah who has "Hidayah" (guidance)
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How about all those exMuslims who get killed for leaving Islam?
Why do they not get freedom of choice?
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From where you can say
like that ?, Qur'an, Hadith saheeh or other sources? Thanks.
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Well these countries punish leaving Islam with death;
https://www.indy100.com/article/the-countries-where-apostasy-is-punishable-by-death--Z110j2Uwxb
Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan,
Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen are
the relevant countries. |
And groups such as these take the job into their own hands;
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/australian-muslim-group-death-to-those-who-leave-islam/news-story/1c7bd7ae92533a4cb04bbfe6c4f97371
AUSTRALIAN MUSLIM GROUP: DEATH TO THOSE WHO LEAVE ISLAM |
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Allah does not order to
kill anyone unless he committed murder, but Allah order to keep human, and that
it's the same with he has kept all human beings (Qur'an 4:32).
On the basis of that
verse, then if we want to seek a truth in religion, please don't look at the
behavior of the person, but the understanding of God Words.
Let alone murder,
berating the worship of one who isn't worshiping Allah is forbidden (6: 108)
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