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Quote airmano Replybullet Posted: 08 June 2017 at 5:12am
@Al Ghuraba

The way you write I'm sure you'd shout at me if I sat opposite to you. How was this again: "Islam is peace" ?
It's time you start to learn how to read....
....You just mentioned 3 people with Arabic names.
Oh dear: Any idea who these three are ? Why on earth are guys like you so unable to inform yourself ?
"In Paradise, you'll find things not heard by any of you, not seen by any of you, and not imaginable by any of you."

Then stop imagining silly ideas like 72 virgins !
I studied sciences like biology, chemistry, physics, mechanics, electronics, pneumatics, hydraulics, and now I'm studying computer science. I've seen the whole 9-yards of what people would classify as "science". Don't think you're talking to someone with no background...
May be, but you definitely didn't understand the basic concept in science, i.e. that you have to prove a claim with facts and falsifiability.
Divine clay is neither fact nor falsifiable, it is nonsense.
And the Seven Heavens are basically Universes. We live in the Lowest/First Heaven, which is called Samawatil-Dunya (Bottom Heaven/Lowest Heaven/First Heaven). This world is referred to as "Dunya". There are 7 Universes. That's what "Heaven" means. Paradise is something different. "Heavens" in Arabic is "Samawaat". "Paradise" in Arabic is "Jannah".

.... and more mumble jumble.


To the point:
Give me one unambiguous example where the Quran has really something to say. Something "an illiterate man could not have known 1400 years ago" and which in its verifiability/falsifiability goes beyond "Peter Pan" or "Alice in Wonderland".

Only one !

I will give you an example on what I expect (at least!):

The rather uneducated 'messenger of god':
Srinivasa Ramanujan (bpuH) credited his acumen to his family goddess, Mahalakshmi of Namakkal. He looked to her for inspiration in his work and said he dreamed of blood drops that symbolised her male consort, Narasimha. Afterward he would receive visions of scrolls of complex mathematical content unfolding before his eyes. In the Wiki entry you can find some of the "revelations" he received from God. Given your strong educational background you're sure able to see the divine brilliance of these revelations.

The findings he made are clearly of the kind that "an uneducated young man could never have had without divine guidance". They were new and are (dis-)provable. The statements in the Quran I have seen so far are light-years below in their quality.
But I am willing to get proven otherwise. Bold claims (like the divine origin of Quran) need strong proof. Got any ?
To be clear, silly examples, like "Mountains as pegs, pointless remarks on embryology, the "sun as a lamp" and "Iron that has been sent down" aren't even worth the paper they have been written on.

Will we all become Hindus now or do you have anything better to offer ?


Edited by airmano - 08 June 2017 at 1:54pm
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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