7 Earths in the Qur'an, and recently discovered

asep garutea wrote: AlkitabAdvocate wrote: 65:12  اللَّهُ الَّذِي خَلَقَ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ وَمِنَ الْ�£َرْضِ مِثْلَهُنَّ يَتَنَزَّلُ الْ�£َمْرُ بَيْنَهُنَّ لِتَعْلَمُوا �£َنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ وَ�£َنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ �£َحَاطَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عِلْمًا Allah is He, who created seven skies and of the earth also the like of it. His orders descends between them so that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah encompasses, all things in (His) Knowledge   There is a similarity mentioned between the earth and the skies. The similarity is in their structure i.e as skies are built i.e one above another, similarly earth is made of layers one above another. The details of the layers of the Earth are given below copied from Wikipedia: Structure of the Earth is divided into layers. These layers are both physically and chemically different. The Earth has an outer solid crust, a highly viscous mantle, a liquid outer core, and a solid inner core. (Following is the description of layers and sub layers of Earth): The crust is the outermost layer of the Earth. It is made of solid rocks. It is mostly made of the lighter elements, silicon, oxygen, aluminium. Because of this, it is known as sial (silicon = Si; aluminium = Al) or felsic. Lithosphere is the first of the four sub layers which together constitute the Mantle. Mantle is the layer of the Earth right below the crust. It is made mostly of oxygen, silicon and the heavier element magnesium. The uppermost part of the mantle is solid, and forms the base of the crust. It is made of the heavy rock peridotite. The continental and oceanic plates include both the crust proper and this uppermost solid layer of the mantle. Together this mass makes up the lithosphere. The lithosphere plates float on the semi-liquid aesthenosphere below. Upper aesthenosphere: magma Lower aesthenosphere Lower mantle Outer core. Earth core is solid iron and nickel, and is about 5000–6000oC. is a liquid layer below the mantle. Inner core, is the very center of the Earth. It is very hot and, due to the high pressure, it is solid.[1]   AlkitabAdvocate, It is a good explanation from you. And it shows that only the Quran can provide intuition for humanity who want to discover some of the secrets of this universe.

65:12  اللَّهُ الَّذِي خَلَقَ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ وَمِنَ الْ�£َرْضِ مِثْلَهُنَّ يَتَنَزَّلُ الْ�£َمْرُ بَيْنَهُنَّ لِتَعْلَمُوا �£َنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ وَ�£َنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ �£َحَاطَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عِلْمًا

Allah is He, who created seven skies and of the earth also the like of it. His orders descends between them so that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah encompasses, all things in (His) Knowledge

 

There is a similarity mentioned between the earth and the skies. The similarity is in their structure i.e as skies are built i.e one above another, similarly earth is made of layers one above another. The details of the layers of the Earth are given below copied from Wikipedia:

Structure of the Earth is divided into layers. These layers are both physically and chemically different. The Earth has an outer solid crust, a highly viscous mantle, a liquid outer core, and a solid inner core. (Following is the description of layers and sub layers of Earth):

1. The crust is the outermost layer of the Earth. It is made of solid rocks. It is mostly made of the lighter elements, silicon, oxygen, aluminium. Because of this, it is known as sial (silicon = Si; aluminium = Al) or felsic.
2. Lithosphere is the first of the four sub layers which together constitute the Mantle. Mantle is the layer of the Earth right below the crust. It is made mostly of oxygen, silicon and the heavier element magnesium. The uppermost part of the mantle is solid, and forms the base of the crust. It is made of the heavy rock peridotite. The continental and oceanic plates include both the crust proper and this uppermost solid layer of the mantle. Together this mass makes up the lithosphere. The lithosphere plates float on the semi-liquid aesthenosphere below.
3. Upper aesthenosphere: magma
4. Lower aesthenosphere
5. Lower mantle
6. Outer core. Earth core is solid iron and nickel, and is about 5000–6000oC. is a liquid layer below the mantle.
7. Inner core, is the very center of the Earth. It is very hot and, due to the high pressure, it is solid.[1]

 

Definition of science: "The state of knowing: knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding."

I don't think that definition would be chosern by any scientust,

Most would prefer science to be considered; the process of examining the universe with the aim of understanding it and being thus able to preduct aspects of it.

airmano wrote: @Al Ghuraba Ouh, touched a nerve ? Well, let's have a look at your statements. Funny list of scientists you come up with: Moore never became a Muslim (but probably accepted money from Saudi Arabia for his statements) Jeffry Lang is a mathematician. That's laudable. So what ? Mr Brown ? Pleased to learn his name. Since I work in science I meet scientists from all over the world every day (and 'yes', even nobel prize winners). I also work regularly with scientists from the Muslim world. With some of them I do/did discuss the "scientific miracles" of the Quran and besides one exception they were all laughing their heads off when it came to the subject. In clear terms: As far as I can see there are barely any scientist from the muslim world [having contacts to the west] who keep their faith and especially their belief in "Quranic miracles". Let's look at the top three (4) to get a glimpse: ABDUS Salam: Admittedly he kept (or rather "regained") his faith: an Ahmaddiyya, not very popular amongst [other] Muslims. To my knowledge: No statement from him about "scientific miracles" in the Quran.     Ahmed Zewail: He avoided discussion about Islam like the plague - and he had good reasons (and negative examples) for that. Likely that he was atheist/agnostic too. See also here. Aziz Sancar: Known for his secular views. Sancar said that "he had been able to win the prize was thanks to Mustafa Kemal Atat�rk" - the guy that died of cirrhosis due to heavy drinking. Sancar is almost certainly an atheist/agnostic. Ah, and there is of course Pervez Hoodboy whose books and comments (i.e. 17th minute of this video) about Islam are highly recommendable. Ok, three or 4 is not statistically telling. But the low number of nobel prize winners is ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do like your statement about "clay". Since the corresponding statement in the Quran is obviously wrong, you swiftly transform ordinary aluminosilicates into a highly divine building material which only God knows about. Well, obviously he's forgotten to inform Mohamed about the nature of this mysterious stuff. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Why did God create 7 Heavens? Why don't you ask Him on the Day of Judgement? " So far he didn't care too much about me and I guess the day of judgment he will be busy with putting the supporters of Jesus and Mohammed to hell. But as I already suspected: The Quran has no clear thought about this question either. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To your theory of "Exoplanets = seven earth" . In response to Tim the plumber you wrote: "With those conditions in-check, and with the additional observations, it is safe to say that there's, without any doubt, flowing water. Which is what the scientists assume, that's why they classify it as "Earth-like" in the first place, you see. " Well, I'd wish you'd inform yourself a bit before coming up with your theories. In this Nasa link it says: "This system of seven rocky worlds�all of them with the potential for water on their surface". Did you read the word "potential" ? Do you understand it's meaning ? And where does it speak of "flowing water" ? As you say: "Without any doubt". As much as in the case of the "divine origin of the Quran" ? Of the seven there are only three in the habitable zone - and off goes your theory - down the drain. Don't feel ashamed, you are not the only one speculating wildly about seven heavens and the seven earths. That much about Quran and falsifiability. Nevertheless, I insist, you should really inform yourself first before coming up with sentences as the one for Tim the plumber (an englishman!) : "What? Europa? You mean Europe? Uhm... Europe is on Earth, you know that right? " Oh well, Airmano

Touched a nerve? Who's nerve?

It's time you start to learn how to read. I clearly said that it's not really known whether Moore became Muslim or not; because that's not relevant. Knowing Islam is the truth is one thing, but willing to submit to God, is another thing, you see. Some people refuse to practise Islam, not because they don't think it to be true, but because they don't want to submit. There are millions of people who call themselves Muslims, and they KNOW Islam is the truth, yet they still don't pray. Because their faith is not high enough, that's number one, and number two is that they don't really want to submit yet.

Definition of scientist:

"A person learned in science."

Definition of science:

"The state of knowing: knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding."


Science is very broad. Mathematics is science, because it is knowledge. In fact, a cook is a scientist as well, because he possesses knowledge in his field, that others don't have. Any learned person in his field is a scientist. Period. Don't become prideful with using the word scientist; thinking it's something special. Science does not only mean biology, chemistry or physics. Understand that. And I mentioned three people that I happen to know.

There are obviously more. Reverts come from different backgrounds. You should understand that.

I couldn't care less if you had a big laugh with "scientists from the Muslim world". Does that now mean anything? If my shirt is white, but the president of the United States of America says it's black, does that now mean ANYTHING? What's your point in mentioning something like that? You're here disagreeing with me, right? What's to point for me to, then, mention that other 1.8 billion people in the world disagree with you as well. I wouldn't mention something like that! Yet, it's true, isn't it?

I studied sciences like biology, chemistry, physics, mechanics, electronics, pneumatics, hydraulics, and now I'm studying computer science. I've seen the whole 9-yards of what people would classify as "science". Don't think you're talking to someone with no background...


But I don't like to talk about myself, because I don't like to be boastful, nor do I want to be arrogant. So, please, stay focused on the subject, and don't bring ego to it, so that I don't have to react in a ego-manner, because I detest that.

You just mentioned 3 people with Arabic names. Well done (sarcasm). Nabeel Qureshi, you know him? Well, he sounds "Muslim", right, because of his name, right? Nope, he's a Christian. There are many people with Arabic names who aren't Muslim. Because, "airmano", in case you didn't know, there are Christians who are Arabs as well.

"What?! Christians who are Arab as well?!"

Yes, "airmano", yes.


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Nope, it's very clear that the "clay" that's being mentioned is not like the clay here. Because the clay of this world, is of this world. The clay that God used to make Adam, is clay of Paradise (Adam was created in Paradise), and everything in Paradise is better and different than here.

Here we have fruit, right? Yes. In the Qur'an it is mentioned that there are fruits in Paradise as well, but does that mean that the fruits of Paradise is the same as the fruits here on Earth? Nope. The Prophet (SAW) said:

"In Paradise, you'll find things not heard by any of you, not seen by any of you, and not imaginable by any of you."


Because when you and I think of "fruit", we think of bananas, strawberries, apples, etc., right?

But the fruit of Paradise is faaaaaaaaaaar from what we know. Again, the Prophet (SAW) said: "you'll find things", which is very general. You'll find clay in Paradise, obviously, and therefore, the nature of it is unknown to us, and we will never be able to imagine how that clay is. Let that sink in for a minute. THAT is how different and more amazing that "clay" is.

The human body will be different in Paradise as well. You'll not go to the toilet, you don't need sleep, you don't need food to survive (food is only for enjoyment), you'll never die there, you'll never be sad, you'll never feel pain, etc. These things cannot be understood by us, here and now. Because we think a certain way about our body. We cannot understand how we can survive without food, but our bodies there will be different to how the bodies are here. You understand?


Good.


The Qur'an does have a "clear thought" about why it's 7, but I said what I said because your question is irrelevant. Out of all of the questions you choose something which *does not matter*. But anyway:

"Allah has created every moving (living) creature from water. Of them there are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills. Verily! Allah is Able to do all things." - Qur'an 24:45


God does whatever He wants to do. Why 7 Heavens? Because He can, and He willed, so it therefore is.

Why do you have 20 pairs of socks? Why not 21? Why not 18? Why not 4? Why not 33? Why not 80? Why not 210? Why not 5151? Why not 1? Why not 6? Why not 8080? Why not 9052626? Why not 2?

I can go on and on, and on, and on, and on, and on. You see how this question isn't relevant? But still, whatever, that verse answers it. God creates whatever He wills. He doesn't need to provide an explanation to anyone, especially not to a sophisticated sperm drop who thinks too highly of himself, when in reality, the sophisticated sperm drop is just a vessel of urine and faeces, and will rot like a carcass in the end.

Get it in perspective :)


No, three of those 7 had *the most chance* of containing those things. But all 7 were candidates. And mr. scientist, you should not embarass yourself. Obviously it's "flowing water"... WATER IS ALWAYS CAPABLE OF FLOWING! Ice is NOT "flowing water", but it's frozen water.

If they meant frozen water, they would've said "ice", not water. Whenever a NASA scientist is talking about water, then they're talking about ACTUAL water. They use the right terminology. The reason why I constantly wrote down "flowing", is because I wanted to make sure that you knew what I meant. Because when someone says "water" they could also be thinking of ice, and I wanted to make it clear from square one, and on. Yet, you still were able to mess up in that regard.


And yes, those scientists can ONLY say that there's, without any doubt, flowing water, when they have landed on those planets, and seen it with their own eyes. Scientists can only actually make claims, when they observe. But they will never be able to reach those planets, because, hello, 40 light-year away, anyone? So they will never be able to take a sample, or whatever. It is from now on, only going to be assumptions and claims. But Earth has the same dynamics as those planets, so like I said, it's safe to assume that there's water there. I mean, if the MOON can have water, then how can an Earth-like planet not have water...



And the Seven Heavens are basically Universes. We live in the Lowest/First Heaven, which is called Samawatil-Dunya (Bottom Heaven/Lowest Heaven/First Heaven). This world is referred to as "Dunya". There are 7 Universes. That's what "Heaven" means. Paradise is something different. "Heavens" in Arabic is "Samawaat". "Paradise" in Arabic is "Jannah".


All that we can witness in "space" today, is in the First Heaven. To make it to the other heavens/universes, you need "Sultan" (authority) of God. Only Angels with permission are allowed to move from one Universe to another. Angels are created from light, so you can imagine the speed they could travel at. And also, the First Heaven (which we are in) is adorned with stars, like it says in Islam. So, whatever you see out there of stars, then this is all part of the First Heaven/Universe. We, will never be able to penetrate the other heavens, except with authority/permission.


"O assembly of jinns and men! If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then pass (them)! But you will never be able to pass them, except with authority (from Allah)!" - Qur'an 55:33

Edited by Al Ghuraba - 26 May 2017 at 9:16am