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    Posted: 06 July 2018 at 9:07am
Originally posted by MIAW MIAW wrote:

Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

 There are wrong bits in the Koran. Sea water and fresh water mix well.

Hi Tim,

I think you are referring to the following verses in the Qur'an:


Qur'an [55:19-20]

Yusuf Ali: He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together:

Shakir: He has made the two seas to flow freely (so that) they meet together:

Yusuf Ali: Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:

Shakir: Between them is a barrier which they cannot pass.


And these verses:

Qur'an [25:53]

Yusuf Ali: It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.

Shakir: And He it is Who has made two seas to flow freely, the one sweet that subdues thirst by its sweetness, and the other salt that burns by its saltness; and between the two He has made a barrier and inviolable obstruction.


The different 'salinities' of the 2 bodies of water causes 2 different densities... and therefore they will stay apart and not 'transgress' and mix.



The rivers that flow into the seas of the world mix with the sea water. Always. I have discussed this with other Islamics who claim that the opposite is true due to it saying so in the Koran. It does not change the facts that fresh water and salt water mix.

Quote This Scientific concept is now being discovered in 'new' lights and depths, unknown before. Look at the following articles:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/7920006/Undersea-river-discovered-flowing-on-sea-bed.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384313/The-river-UNDER-sea-Haunting-images-scuba-diver-exploring-mysterious-channel.html

https://www.marineinsight.com/environment/is-there-a-river-under-the-sea/


Extremely salty water, brime, can sometimes be found under the sea on the sea bed. It is not salt water vs fresh water ever. This is a different thing.

Quote How did the... 

1) illiterate prophet...

2) living in the Desert of Arabia... 

3) 1500 years ago... 

know something that we (with all our technology, Physics, Chemistry, SCUBA Diving equipment...etc) are only 'starting' to discover now?

He did not. He got it wrong as he was talking about free flowing water. Fresh free flowing water.

Quote Whenever the Qur'an does not agree with our 'logical thinking' and our 'current scientific advances'... it does not mean that the Qur'an is 'wrong' (as you choose to put it)... it just means that we have yet to discover it!

Fresh water, the stuff that quenches your thirst, mixes with salt water.

Quote This is the Wisdom of The All-Wise God Allah SWT... He allows 'new' generations to discover 'new' significances to His Signs and Verses... for His own Purpose.

So anything you want is in the Koran, if you got it wrong last time just change the interpretation....

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Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

 There are wrong bits in the Koran. Sea water and fresh water mix well.

Hi Tim,

I think you are referring to the following verses in the Qur'an:


Qur'an [55:19-20]

Yusuf Ali: He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together:

Shakir: He has made the two seas to flow freely (so that) they meet together:

Yusuf Ali: Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:

Shakir: Between them is a barrier which they cannot pass.


And these verses:

Qur'an [25:53]

Yusuf Ali: It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.

Shakir: And He it is Who has made two seas to flow freely, the one sweet that subdues thirst by its sweetness, and the other salt that burns by its saltness; and between the two He has made a barrier and inviolable obstruction.


The different 'salinities' of the 2 bodies of water causes 2 different densities... and therefore they will stay apart and not 'transgress' and mix.


This Scientific concept is now being discovered in 'new' lights and depths, unknown before. Look at the following articles:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/7920006/Undersea-river-discovered-flowing-on-sea-bed.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384313/The-river-UNDER-sea-Haunting-images-scuba-diver-exploring-mysterious-channel.html

https://www.marineinsight.com/environment/is-there-a-river-under-the-sea/


The question is:

How did the... 

1) illiterate prophet...

2) living in the Desert of Arabia... 

3) 1500 years ago... 

know something that we (with all our technology, Physics, Chemistry, SCUBA Diving equipment...etc) are only 'starting' to discover now?


Whenever the Qur'an does not agree with our 'logical thinking' and our 'current scientific advances'... it does not mean that the Qur'an is 'wrong' (as you choose to put it)... it just means that we have yet to discover it!


This is the Wisdom of The All-Wise God Allah SWT... He allows 'new' generations to discover 'new' significances to His Signs and Verses... for His own Purpose.


Note: This is just one interpretation of these verses... there are of course other interpretations found in Tafsirs.
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Originally posted by iec786 iec786 wrote:

The Quran is self explanatory 
Surah 4:82 claims.

Do they not consider the Quran (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.



There are wrong bits in the Koran. Sea water and fresh water mix well.
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The Quran is self explanatory 
Surah 4:82 claims.

Do they not consider the Quran (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.
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Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:

I believe God created all of humanity with a desire to love and serve God on this earth. We all start out as children with ourselves at the center of the universe. As we mature we are divinely guided to understand this is backwards.

We are all different, and it seems obvious to me that God loves variety. The Qu'ran and the Bible are both of immense spiritual value yet they are entirely different in genre, time and purpose.

Some people love to involve themselves in arguments about religion, but I think it is a bad thing to argue about God. The most likely result of argument is to push people away from God, and that is an evil result even if one has the most gracious intentions.

I used to get rude mail from other Christians here because I always applaud new members who joyously announce they have pronounced Shahada. But what else to do when someone embraces God!   

Yes DavidC, essentially humans live in this world only play a role, but the All-Making everything is only God and we can not do more than His will.

God tells people to worship Him and do good to their fellow beings, some follow Him, but some don't follow Him. Thanks DavidC.
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Could you try to make your point instead of posting unrelated videos form a bloke speaking in Hyde Park ?

Thanx:  Airmano
 
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Originally posted by iec786 iec786 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldS7Uq9YRw4

A good answer to the sun setting in murky water.

Wikiislam gives an even better answer and refutation to all Islamic apologetics regarding this verse.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldS7Uq9YRw4

A good answer to the sun setting in murky water.
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