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In the Arabic Quran, Allah states the unbelievers plot, plan, and scheme, but Allah is the best of deceivers or is it planners? Does anyone know?
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Posted: 25 November 2016 at 9:18pm |
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The Word in Arabic is Makr which can be translated as 'schemed, planned, plotted, devised etc. English is a very limited language as compared to classical Arabic which is immensely deep. The English words for Makr may be very few as compared to more meanings that can be derived from this same word. This is something the linguists can understand better. Nevertheless the Quran has been made easier by the translators for the people of other languages to understand. The basic meaning of each word is sufficient to understand the meaning of the words in a particular Quranic verse. Sahih International: And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners. Pickthall: And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers. Yusuf Ali: And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah. Shakir: And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners. Muhammad Sarwar: The unbelievers plotted and God planned, but God is a much better planner; Mohsin Khan: And they (disbelievers among the Jews) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus) ], and Allah planned too. And Allah is the Best of the planners. Arberry: And they devised, and God devised, and God is the best of devisers. Allah (swt) failed the scheming of the disbelievers among the Jews who tried to kill Jesus, son of Mary (alaihi Salaam) by raising him up. Allah failed their schemes: 4:156-159 and because they disbelieved and uttered a terrible slander against Mary, 157and said, �We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of God.� (They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, though it was made to appear like that to them; those that disagreed about him are full of doubt, with no knowledge to follow, only supposition: they certainly did not kill him�� God raised him up to Himself. God is almighty and wise. And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), but must believe in him ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being], before his ['Iesa (Jesus) or a Jew's or a Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he ['Iesa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them.
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Posted: 27 November 2016 at 9:20am |
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Posted: 29 November 2016 at 4:29am |
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Jesus Christ(pbuh) always preached oneness of God,in Bible who Christians claim to believe and follow,Jesus Christ(pbuh)told people to believe in prophet Muhammad Saw pbuh and he will say what is told to him by Allah,we know through prophet Muhammad Saw(pbuh),Allah gave Quran.in Quran we receive a true definition of God-Allah is one he is eternal he is neither born nor give birth there is nothing like him.
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Posted: 29 November 2016 at 2:52pm |
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If you mean the verse about the Spirit of Truth that guides us into all truth, forget it. That was not referring to any prophets; that was referring to The Spirit of God. Muhammad wasn't a spirit being; so, common sense should tell us Jesus wasn't speaking of him. Besides, the Spirit of Truth continues to lead us. Muhammad has been long dead. So how can it be referring to him? The only prophets Jesus warned us of is false prophets and many of them would come after Jesus Matthew 24. Christians never said or believe that God was born or has a son that he sired; these are misconceptions you have about the gospel as all Muslims do. We believe God is one and Jesus is His Word; You believe God is one and Muhammad is his messenger. Christians don't believe in the three Allah implies; so, I don't blame you for having misconceptions. I don't understand why we should believe Muhammad is a messenger because Gabriel delivered the messages to Muhammad from the Allah of Islam. Gabriel was the messenger; in fact, angel means messenger. I also don't understand how he can be our prophet when he never heard directly from Allah. What makes one a prophet is them hearing from God directly. Besides, didn't Allah tell Muhammad through Gabriel that if you have doubts as to your prophet-hood to ask the People of the Book - that is us!!! Edited by Saved - 29 November 2016 at 5:10pm |
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Posted: 29 November 2016 at 5:15pm |
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Posted: 29 November 2016 at 6:58pm |
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Bearing witness against their false beliefs does not mean they will be sent to the hellfire. It's better for you to ponder over the words 1st before coming to conclusion. It is only God, The Just The Most Merciful who decides who deserves punishment and who should be forgiven. 5:116-118 When God asked Jesus, son of Mary "Did you tell men to consider you and your mother as their gods besides God?" he replied, "Glory be to you! How could I say what I have no right to say? Had I ever said it, You would have certainly known about it. You know what is in my soul, but I do not know what is in Yours. It is You who has absolute knowledge of the unseen. "I did not tell them anything except what You commanded me to tell them. I told them that they must worship God who is everyone's Lord. I watched them as long as I was among them until You raised me to Yourself and You Yourself had also watched over them; You are Omnipresent. You may punish Your servants or forgive them for You are Majestic and Wise." |
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Posted: 29 November 2016 at 11:54pm |
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We didn't make up the phrase "son of God." God called Jesus His son. Your argument is with God and not Christianity
Allah also said "they do disbelieve who say Allah is the third of three." Allah didn't appear to know that to Christianity the third person of the trinity is the Holy Spirit and not Allah or the father Edited by Saved - 30 November 2016 at 10:41am |
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The christians have to believe in him as the Prophet and not a son of God. If they fail to do so before their deaths then Jesus himself will bear witness against them on the day of judgement.